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Jerome G
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| Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 08:16 pm:
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I am looking for any advice and/or tips that could be
useful for candidates taking the IPR UNHCR entry
test.
Moreover I am looking for ressources (academics or
others) related to "case studies" with regard to refugees.
Thanks
Jerome |
Bob
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| Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 05:28 pm:
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Dear Jerome, the Entry test is a tool to measure
analytical skills, awareness of the international environment and
knowledge of the United Nations and refugee issues in particular.
This written test consists of a general paper to assess the
candidates' ability to analyze problems and evaluate comprehension
and intelligibility and some focused questions, to measure
understanding of the international environment and the work of UNHCR and its
mandate.
Good luck! |
Vugar
Vugar
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| Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 11:34 pm:
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I am also interested in more information about the UNHCR's IPR Entry Test.
Any tips, advise would be appreciated. Particularly, if you know of
any typical questions or essay assignemnts, topics, please share the
information. Also, I would like to know where exactly the test will
take place. Will we have the option of chosing location?
VERY
IMPORTANT: has anyone saved the text of the announcement? The UNHCR website
has removed the announcement, but I still need to check something
there and I can't find it. I wanted to check the eligibiilty. Where
can I retrieve it?
Please write directly to: seidovv@ceu.hu |
Jerome
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| Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 10:53 pm:
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There is nothing much said about the requirement into the
IPR
description:
- must possess a university degree (or advance);
- must be prepared to serve on posts in field locations,
especially in category D and E hardship and/or non family) duty
stations;
- having number of years of "relevant" professional
work experience;
- having demonstrated working knowledge of
English (plus for an other UN language).
Vugar, I am sending you
the txt I saved...
Good luck. |
Barbara
Pearson
Member
Username:
Barbara
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 09:27 am:
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Bob, I am looking for UNHCR IPR - Entry Test
samples. I understand that This written test consists of "a general
paper to assess the candidates' ability to analyze problems and
evaluate comprehension and intelligibility and some focused
questions, to measure understanding of the international environment
and the work of UNHCR and its
mandate" but is there any way to be able to find a sample test?
Thanks and cheers barbara |
Bob
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| Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:17 am:
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Can't do that Barbara!! Take it and you'll see... |
Mi Vieux
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Username:
Kihtha
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 04:54 pm:
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I am told the IPR started in
2003. Did the first intake sit for the Entry Test in 2003 or 2004?
I believe there may be some folks out there who've gone through
this test. Could they be that kind as to give us some clues in form
of sample of those "focused" questions?
Hoping to hear from
anyone.
Vieux |
Datburn
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| Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 11:19 pm:
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Is the test multiple choice or in essay
form? |
Carki
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 06:02 am:
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Hello Everyone!
Anybody knows what`s the probability
of, even though you pass the entry test, getting actually a position
at UNHCR? |
Mi Vieux
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Username:
Kihtha
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:51 am:
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Let's get the ball rolling since there are no volunteers
to help those looking for sample questions of IPR Entry test.
Q1. The ancestor of UNHCR is:
A. SDN - Societe Des Nations
B. Moses - who delivered
Jews from Egypt
C. IRO - International Refugee Organisation
D. WWRA - World War Refugee Agency
E. None of the above
Come on guys, exchange ideas. |
vilcab
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 04:24 pm:
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Any ideas as to how many participants in the IPR entry test
have been selected? Just curiosity... |
Lili
Zandpour
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| Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 09:13 pm:
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if invited to take the test, how do we register? when do
we find out about test locations? |
Barbara
Pearson
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Username:
Barbara
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 11:31 am:
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For Vugar Vugar, below the text of the announcement,
Barbara
UNHCR
International Professional Roster
1. UNHCR has
established an International Professional Roster as a means for the
Office to ensure that entry level international positions (P 2, P 3
and, on an exceptional basis, P 4) are filled in a timely manner
with a professionally qualified, gender balanced, geographically
diverse, linguistically able and highly motivated corps of
professionals.
2. This invitation targets potential
applicants who could be suitable for mainly P 2 and P 3 posts in
ongoing and new operations that will be advertised in the course of
2005. The deadline for receipt of applications is 15 January 2005.
Profile requirements for applicants to the Roster
3.
Applicants to the Roster must be prepared to serve on posts in field
locations, especially in category D and E (hardship and/or non
family) duty stations, for an initial period of one year.
Preferably, the first appointment should be outside the continent of
the candidate s nationality. All UNHCR
international professional staff members are required to rotate.
4. The anticipated staffing requirements for 2005, show an
identifiable need for Roster candidates for P 2 and P 3 posts with
the following functional profiles:
Administration Officers
Community Services Officers
External Relations Officers
Field Security Advisors
Finance Officers
Finance Project
Control Officers
Human Resources Officers
Information
Technology Officers
Programme Officers
Protection Officers
Public Information Officers
Supply and Transport Officers
Telecommunications Officers
5. Kindly refer to the
Standard job profiles for the above mentioned posts.
6.
Candidates for the Roster must possess a university degree (i.e. BA,
LLB etc.) or an advanced university degree (i.e., LLM, MA, MBA, MSc,
PhD) preferably in International Relations, International Public or
Private Law, Finance, Accounting, Public Administration, Social
Work, Communications, Journalism, Political Science or Social
Sciences.
7. Candidates must have a minimum number of years
of relevant professional work experience, preferably in the
international context, in their area of qualification. Relevant
professional work experience will be based on the period the
applicant has worked in the area of his or her preferred functional
profile. All candidates will be graded based on the following
standard recruitment criteria:
P 2: University degree plus 4
years of relevant professional work experience; or Advanced
University degree plus 2 years of relevant professional work
experience.
P 3: University degree plus 8 years of relevant
professional work experience; or Advanced University degree plus 6
years of relevant professional work experience.
P 4: University
degree plus 12 years of relevant professional work experience; or
Advanced University degree plus 10 years of relevant professional
work experience.
8. Candidates for finance posts must have
passed the United Nations Finance Examination. Qualified applicants
in one or more functional areas (i.e., protection, community
services, programme and supply) could also be considered for generic
Field Officer posts.
9. In order to broaden the
opportunities for candidates to rotate in different regions and to
respond to actual professional recruitment needs, interested
applicants are required to have a demonstrated working knowledge of
English and are encouraged to have knowledge of a second UN
language. A working knowledge is demonstrated by passing the UN or
other accredited language proficiency exams, having achieved the
university qualification in the language, or having served
effectively using the language in a country where it is the official
working language. Applicants who do not have the second UN language
must at least demonstrate that they are enrolled in a language
learning programme in order to be considered for the Roster.
Applicants must therefore submit to DHRM an attestation from the
language learning programme confirming how long they have been
enrolled and what level of proficiency they have attained. Qualified
applicants with a demonstrated working knowledge of two or more UN
languages, especially French and Arabic, will be given priority.
10. Every effort to maintain gender parity will be made.
Therefore, women are encouraged to apply.
11. Applicants to
the Roster, if selected for a post, must be prepared to take up
their assignments as from July 2005. However, United Nations
Volunteers and others with current assignments with UNHCR are
expected to first complete those assignments.
Applying
for the Roster
12. Interested candidates who meet the
requirements specified above must submit the attached Application
Form and relevant documentation to the Recruitment and Postings
Section (HQIPR2@unhcr.ch) by
15 January 2005.
13. In addition to the Application Form, a
UN Personal History Form (P.11) must be signed and submitted,
including at least three references.
Timetable for
administering the Roster
14. The Division of Human Resources
Management in UNHCR is
responsible for administration of the Roster. A review of the files
of all applicants will take place in January and February 2005.
Applicants who are retained at this first stage of the process will
be informed accordingly. Due to the large number of applications, we
are unfortunately not able to respond to applicants not retained.
15. Retained applicants to the Roster will be invited to
take an Entry Test approximately 3 4 weeks from receiving
confirmation of their retention, and will be provided with
information regarding the timing and administration of the test.
This essay based test will gauge the analytical skills, as well as
the awareness of the international environment, knowledge of the
United Nations and refugee affairs, command of English, and computer
literacy.
16. The next main posting session will take place
in June 2005, and UNHCR will
contact only those appointed. Roster candidates who are not
appointed to posts will remain on the Roster for one year, but may
be contacted to gauge their interest in particular posts or short
term assignments.
17. We thank all those applying in advance
for their interest in working for UNHCR and to
serve the cause of the world s refugees.
GLOSSARY
International Professional Roster
UNHCR is once
again inviting spontaneous applications for its International
Professional Roster. When professional vacancies occur, UNHCR does its
best to fill them internally. Only if the number of internal
candidates is limited, Roster candidates will be considered. If no
suitable internal candidate is found, the International Professional
Roster is intended to ensure that recognized gaps in the
organization's staffing profile, especially at the P 2 and P 3
levels, are filled properly and in a timely manner. The purpose of
the International Professional Roster is to have a pool of
pre-selected candidates from which UNHCR can
recruit when international professional vacancies are authorised for
external recruitment.
Interested candidates may submit their
applications by e-mail with the subject heading "Application to IPR" (HQIPR2@unhcr.ch).
Candidates who were not successful in the last IPR test may
wish to re-apply and sit for the next exam which will be announced
at a later stage. |
Lynette Basha
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 05:27 pm:
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I have been invited to take the UNHCR IPR test in two
weeks' time and also wondered whether anyone out there had taken it
and what to expect.
thanks. |
Francisco
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 06:45 pm:
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I have been invited too, but I haven't received any
information about where it's going to take place yet.
Is
everybody in the same situation?
Good
luck, |
Datburn
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| Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 06:08 am:
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Is it me, or is there a lack of information on the
subject of the test we are going to take in two weeks time. Has
anyone else found some more information about this
test? |
Susan
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| Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 07:28 pm:
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Looks like we are all in the same boat. Anyone in NYC? |
Susan
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| Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 07:30 pm:
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BTW-- I received the following email-- found it to be
quite strange. Anyone else?
FROM: Besem Obenson [jobs@besem.com]
SUBJECT:UNHCR Feedback
Hello:
Please forgive the intrusion. We were all
contacted last September by the JPO coordinator regarding a
potential job opportunity with UNHCR. I know
several local folks who applied and are yet to get any type of
response (either a "Yes" or a "No"). So, I was wondering if:
1. Anyone of you who applied to get on the Roster have heard
back yet regarding their status and,
2. Of those retained,
do you know where you will be taking the exam?
Thanks in
advance,
Besem Obenson |
Datburn
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| Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:48 pm:
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Susan, I recieved the same email. I would like to know
how Besem got my email address and yours for that matter. |
Susan
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| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 03:29 pm:
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Datburn, He returned my message asking how he rec'd my
email, and it was from the JPO Coordinator's email that went out in
Dec. I had never rec'd it, but he just forwarded it to me and it's
legit. |
Ivo
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| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 08:28 pm:
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Have you received the list of reading material for the IPR test? |
Susan
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| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 09:06 pm:
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Yes-- Annex II and then the revision for
#1. |
Datburn
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| Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 02:51 am:
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Susan, Just out of curiosity. How many people were on the
JPO's email. |
lilz
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| Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 03:21 am:
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so has anybody received any info as to where this test is
being administered yet? in particular, where in NYC? i'm starting to
doubt whether taking the test and passing it even leads to anything
more than one or two cryptic emails.. |
Guest2
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| Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 07:48 pm:
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I only got the email to take the test, but still waiting
for when will it be (the exact time I mean as I know the date). I am
in Italy, and I requested to have the test at Rome office but no
news yet if ok or not!! I still have to book a flight ticket to
Rome.. Anyway, think I will send an email asking about that, would
suggest the same for anyone who is waiting for an answer.. good luck
guys |
Barbara
Pearson
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Username:
Barbara
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 03:41 pm:
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Ciao, I will be taking the test in Rome as well. I was
not notified as well. But I believe that that nobody was...
If you wish Contact me: barbara_sd@yahoo.it Mobile
3480467731 |
Susan
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| Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 04:48 pm:
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Datburn: there were over 50 people on the e-mail.
lilz: I am also in NYC-- no word yet on exact
time/location/etc. |
Guest2
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| Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 06:25 pm:
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Ciao Barbara, I sent an email and they said will send
exact details this week.. it will either be at 9:00am or 10:30am for
4 hours.. in bocca al lupo.. |
GVA
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 02:26 pm:
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Dear all,
How much of the suggested reading have
you all done/assimilated?
Anyone taking the test in Geneva?
Thank you |
guest3
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 08:46 pm:
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I asked to take the test in Rome as well and I'm hoping
they won't change location at the last minute... I wish I could find
on the Net a sample test or someone who already did it and who can
testify it's not just a simple passage from one roster to another. |
Ana
Paula
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 01:35 pm:
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Hi,
Is anyone aware of a cheap hotel near the
exam area in Rome? Does anyone know about the exam location? I am
unable to make a hotel booking because I don t know the Exam address
and the IPR
unit is not replying to that question, it says that it doesn t know
the location, it will know by Friday. As I am a former refugee, I am
not surprised that UNHCR is doing
all....at the last minute...... |
Barbara
Pearson
Member
Username:
Barbara
Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 02:13 pm:
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A few weeks ago I contacted the UNHCR office in
Rome and I was told the exam might take place at the FAO
Headquarters, but I never received a confirmation. Anyway below
FAO's address:
FAO HEADQUARTERS
Viale delle Terme di
Caracalla
00100 Rome, Italy
and UNHCR address in
Rome:
UNHCR
Via
Caroncini 19
I-00197 Rome
Again, not sure where the test
will take place, and not quite sure why there is 0 information and
trasparency on the web about the test. The UN and other agencies all
have sample test questions.... |
GVA
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 03:00 pm:
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Hi again,
Can you please let me know whether you
are going through all the suggested reading? And whether you have
further reading that has appeared as relevant.
Thank you |
OLE OLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 09:31 am:
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Hi Everyone!
Going trough all the material we
have to read, I have 2 questions for which I have not found a good
answer:
1. In terms of security, which is the UN agency, not
department, in charge of it? Is it the DPKO??? or there is not such
an agency???
2. And talking about budgetarial procedures, whre
the hell in all these documents we are supposed to read, are the
guidelines, accurate and explained, on how the budget is done when
taking into consideration the operational and implementing
partners??? I mean, in terms of currency, different steps, bla bla
bla????
If u know the possible or approximate answers,
please share them. They are helpful for everyone.
I still do
not know exact location and time for the exam. Hope we will know
something at the end of this week.
Good luck to everyone!!!! |
Mi Vieux
Member
Username:
Kihtha
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:21 pm:
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Is this IPR Entry test
limited only to candidates who have access to the Internet? At this
speed of notification, if one is waiting for a letter by Post; don't
know! |
Guest2
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| Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 06:22 pm:
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Well I just booked a flight to Rome, it cost me more
because I booked late, hoping for an answer, but nothing.. and I
will be arriving at 8:10am.. hope that I will make it to where ever
the exam will be on time.. and that they won't cancel it or change
the date, otherwise I will end up in the Vatican paying respect to
the new Pope instead.. I am still going through the list of readings
and I have no idea how the exam will be
like!! |
Guest2
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| Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 06:25 pm:
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Barbara, which other UN agencies have an available sample
of their tests?? might help to go through it to understand how this
test will be like.. cheers |
Guest2
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| Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 08:16 pm:
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Ole Ole: Office of the United Nations Security
Coordinator (UNSECOORD), works to minimize the risks faced by
mission personnel through security and safety management procedures.
you may like to check these websites
http://www.reliefweb.int/library/documents/SG_Report_A_55_494.htm
AND
http://www.unhcr.ch/pubs/fdrs/ga2002/addunsecoord.pdf |
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 09:17 am:
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I am relieved to see all your messages as I thought I had
somehow dropped off the list as I have had no response to any of my
(increasingly desparate) emails. I rang UNHCR in
Brussels this morning (where I have asked to sit the test) and was
told that HQ would send out the details next week. I asked her when
exactly and she said "in the coming days". |
Guest
4
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 09:50 am:
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Does anyone know if we can take the test in English only,
or if French will be an option too?
thanks for your help! |
OLE, OLE!!!!!
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:01 am:
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To Guest 2:
Thank you very much!!!!!!
It's
been really helpful!!!
Another question: Aer we supposed to
do the exam on real paper or
computer-based??? |
Guest2
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:52 am:
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Ole Ole: I am not actually sure, think in paper but as
they stated that we will have access to computers but not
dictionary, I guess that you might be tested on your computer
knowledge as well. This is my guess, though.
As for Guest4 s
question about the language: the test should test your command in
English, but I think you can request to be in your second language.
I read it somewhere but I can t remember where.. try to check with
the office you are taking the test in.. Good
luck.. |
guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 03:08 pm:
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Does anyone know how many people are taking the test?
What reading has been the most
useful? |
Guest2
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 07:44 pm:
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I just got the email for the test, it will be at 9:00am
at the FAO office in Rome. Can anyone tell me, about how long will
it take me to get there if my flight will arrive at 8:10am?? I know
it is very tight but it is the one flight I have in the morning... |
guest5
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:06 pm:
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I would suggest you should then arrive the night before,
because you won't be out of fiumicino before 9.00 and then there is
another half hour from fiumicino to FAO. You have to consider
landing procedures(even if you don't have luggage), traffic in town
(if you take a taxi) or train schedule time.Da Vinci Airport is a
little bit outside rome. Italy is not the country where everything
arrives on time. |
Flavia
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:19 pm:
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Comments on the convocation? With the "General" of part I
& IV: what do you think they mean? UN system in general or UNHCR in
general?
For any answer, suggestion,test sample you've found my
email is: viafla@iol.it |
Barbara
Pearson
Member
Username:
Barbara
Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 04:26 pm:
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I received the convocation from UNHCR for the
Test in Rome. And info on the test and i believe all of you received
it so that it might be an idea to join forces in the studying
process since we have a few days left. To answer some of the
questions out there. The test is taken in English, will be held on
28th April. For Rome, Italy will be at FAO. test will start at 09:00
am local time, test is computer-based and has to be submitted
electronically. B |
MX
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 05:52 am:
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Dear all,
I have applied for the post of IT
officer and i seek no relevance for me to know things regarding
programmes. It is like asking a relief worker to give a Java
programming test. I have placed this question to them.
It seems
very strange that in Pakistan, Majority of the people who applied
are already working in UNHCR and hence
have an edge over others who are not.
Can anyone help me on the
programme issue, what am i supposed to look for.
thanks |
Barbara
Member
Username:
Barbara
Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2005
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 06:40 am:
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To MX, the test "is not function-specific but is a
screening tool for qualified candidates to measure analytical
skills, awareness of the international environment and knowledge of
the United Nations and refugee issues in particular." I do not
understand how you could have applied to a specific post and I do
not understand what do you mean by saying that in "Pakistan,
majority of the people who applied are already working in UNHCR". In
thought: "The UNHCR IPR will create
a pool of pre-selected candidates from which UNHCR can
recruit when international professional vacancies are authorized for
external recruitment. When professional vacancies occur, UNHCR does its
best to fill them internally. Only if the number of internal
candidates is limited, Roster candidates will be considered. If no
suitable internal candidate is found". When you placed the question
to UNHCR what
was the answer? |
MX
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 06:56 am:
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i am sorry i am not being rude. I have applied for the
post in january when they requested for individuals in different
categories. And the reason i said that majority of the candidates
were working in UNHCR, I meant
that they are already working in UNHCR and hence
are better equiped to answer these questions as compared to me, i
did not imply anything else.
I do not know anything about the
internal working of the UNHCR.
And I
do have previous bad experience with UN regarding recruitment within
Pakistan. |
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 12:20 pm:
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Flavia, I was wondering the same thing....what is
"general"?
What readings have you found to be more interesting?
There's much information which is repeated over and over again in
all reading materials .... |
QUE LA FUERZA SUERTE
NOS ACOMPA EEEE
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 01:23 pm:
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Seems that finally we are on the way to the final point,
but I am starting to think that, as someone has already pointed out
in this forum, it will be just a way of passing from one roster to
another roster. It would be interesting to know, how many people
have been invietd to take the test, a number I do not even want to
think of....
For MX: Well, even though you are an expert in IT,
if you want to be with the UNHCR people,
you should know at least what their work is about (if this can
really be explained in all these docs, something I really doubt).
Anyway, for the short info we have been sent, I think that it is
going to be difficult and it will cover absolutely every aspect, so
the chance of leaving any doc apart in terms of saving time when
studying seems a bit too risky.
I have a question in rgard to
Languages: the exam is in English, but I suspect that we will have
to write in other UN language at some point of the test, Any bet
which one??? |
MX
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 01:47 pm:
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My point is that it is fine for me to know things like
Code of conduct and refugee protection issues, but when it comes to
programmes section specific to UNHCR, the only
people who would know more about this issue would be the people who
are already working in UNHCR.
As the letter states there are 4 items from programme, now
can some please tell me where can i get the information for
programme apart from the one's i already have. And again there are
is also a general section ???? Any help will be apreciated. |
Vugar
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 07:01 pm:
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Dear All,
I received an email from the
Geneva-based Human Resources Office with the information of where
and when the test will actually take place. And some additional info
about what the test will consist of. But it was too general (code of
conduct, protection, etc.), no useful tips or guiding details. All I
can do is to re-read what I have already read.
I have a
question, provided there is anyone who knows the answer, which I
doubt ![:-)]() What does this "retention in the
roster" actually mean? Does it imply that we are *almost* in or does
it mean we have passed just one of the many phases and there is
another filter (e.g. test, interviews, etc.) which represnts the
next serious barrier that we may not necessarily pass? To put it
simple, is it possible that after we take the test some of us will
never hear from the UNHCR at all,
and if yes, what are the chances/probability in terms of percentage
of being in and out?
Obviously, during the test we will
provide clear and comprehensive answers in the form of short or
extended essays. It is not difficult to do, as the reading material
is not a rocket science and it is easy to understand and quite
interesting to read. But my BIG QUESTION is, who and how will check
and evaluate the answers and decide whether I am the right person to
be offered appointment? What are the criterias to impress the
evaluator? To put it simple, having read the materials and knowing
basically 90% of what is relevant and important, what else shall I
do in order not to sit for the next months and wonder why no one has
ever contacted me? ![:-)]() which I guess is
possible.
I am sure there are many more curious people like
me who wonder about the same thing ![:-)]()
Take care all! And I wish they retained in the roster just
as many candidates as the number of vacancies and there is no
furhter competition between us ![:-)]()
Vugar
p.s. please CC your reply to my email: seidovv@ceu.hu |
Vugar
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| Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 08:49 pm:
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Also, one practical question: are we actually going to
receive the answer from UNHCR about the
results of the test, whether we passed or not, even if we did not?
Well, if the test is INDEED going to be another filter that will
leave some of us permanently behind the barrier, then will those who
do not actually pass the test hear from UNHCR like this
usual "sorry, Bob, you are out, but thank you for your interest with
us anyway and we wish you success in your future endaveours"?
Waiting in vain is terrible. Much better to get a straight
forward negative answer and continue looking for another job than
sit and wait.
This is what they write:
15. Retained
applicants to the Roster will be invited to take an Entry Test
approximately 3 4 weeks from receiving confirmation of their
retention.
16. The next main posting session will take place
in June 2005, and UNHCR will
contact only those appointed. Roster candidates who are not
appointed to posts will remain on the Roster for one year, but may
be contacted to gauge their interest in particular posts or short
term assignments.
It says "the next main POSTING session".
Meaning, the contacting session. No interviews, no other
arrangements. And it says "only those APPOINTED", i.e. only
those who are offered appointment and not those who have actually
passed the test. Should it be read in the sense that you can pass
but not necessarily receive the appointment? If yes, what are the
chances to be contacted during the year? And my main question,
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Rocco
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 04:14 pm:
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Anybody else here taking the test in Israel?? It's
Tuesday afternoon, and as yet there has been no confirmation of the
place nor the focal point. Sad really... |
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 04:22 pm:
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Dear Rocco, you may find that your test will be on
Thursday morning as well. Please see my letter from UNHCR received
on Friday:
We are pleased to invite you to take part in the
2005 competitive Entry Test to the UNHCR
International Professional Roster (IPR) in
Switzerland. You will take your test in the English language. The
test will consist of four parts divided into 17 essay-type
questions, requiring either an extended or a short response. Items
have been clustered into four content areas, namely Protection,
Programme, Code of Conduct and General. Each candidate will answer a
maximum of 16 questions (Part III requires completion of either the
Protection or the Programme case study).
Part No. of items
Content Area
Part I - Analysis (General)
Part II - Code of
conduct
Part IIIa - Protection
or
Part IIIb -Programme
Part IV - Protection, Programme and General
The test
will be held on 28th April in selected locations throughout the
world, mainly in UNHCR premises
but also in other UN or government offices or rented facilities.
With the exceptions of France where the test will begin at
10:00 AM and Belgium at 10:30 AM, the test will start at 09:00 am
local time and will last maximum 5 hours, excluding two short
breaks. We request that you arrive at the examination center at
least 30 minutes before starting time. Candidates arriving late will
not be given additional time. Should you miss the test, please note
that no alternative arrangements are in place to do the test
separately, even if there are compelling reasons why you missed.
For admission to the examination center, you will be
required to present this letter and a valid personal identification
bearing your photograph and indicating your nationality and date of
birth.
You should bring your own pens, pencils etc. if you wish,
for drafts or outlines. However, please keep in mind that the test
is computer-based and has to be submitted electronically.
Candidates are only allowed to bring into the test-room
pens/pencils and a blank notebook to make notes/outlines, prepare
answers etc., and a regular English dictionary (i.e.
subject-specific dictionaries are not allowed). No cellular
telephone or Personal Digital Assistant (PDA) will be allowed in the
test room.
The candidates are requested to remain in the room
for the duration of the test except during the official breaks and
for sanitary purposes.
For candidates not currently employed by
UNHCR, please
note that UNHCR is not
responsible for any costs associated with travel to or from the test
centre. |
Rocco
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 05:40 pm:
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Thanks, I had received the letter as well.
However, my problem is that I haven't been provided info as
to WHERE to sit the exam. It simply reads 'to be confirmed' under
'test location' and up to now nothing has been confirmed.
So, my question again: anybody else who'll sit the test in
Israel and might have an idea where exactly that will be? |
sufi lala
Member
Username:
Sufilala
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2005
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 07:31 pm:
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thanks all for excellent encouraging info on this thread,
i applied beck in Jan & didn't hear anything, today i
eventually managed to get thru to speak to somebody in Geneve on the
phone who told me that as i have sufficient languages i should have
been invited to the test and they didn't know why i had been
missed...
so i hope i'll be doing the test in london, i tried to
call em back to confirm but nobody answered!
good luck
everybody! |
OLE,OLE!!
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 10:26 am:
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I just want to wish luck to everybody!!!! (Me included )
I hope to hear after-test-comments on this
page. |
guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 10:38 am:
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Last quick question?
What do you think they mean
by the Programme question? How UNHCR runs an
operation or what operations they are running? or cross-cutting
programmes eg. sphere and MGs?
Thank you...if you have a
minute!! |
guest5
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 11:47 am:
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Italy, USA, Liberia, Pakistan, Belgium, France,
Switzerland, UK,...it's better not to think on how many people will
be taking the test tomorrow!!! good luck to everybody. I also hope
to hear after-test comments and thank Jerome G who started the forum
(at least I felt less alone). |
Susan
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 02:07 pm:
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For the last minute question from guest-- I think
Programme-related questions will require the application of
standards (inc. Sphere and MGD), objectives (heirarchy of obj.),
indicators, Results-based management, etc....
Good luck
everyone!! |
guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 02:37 pm:
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Thank you Susan, that's what I was thinking but
appreciate the confirmation. |
Vugar
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 04:06 pm:
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I find these Programme-related issues so boring... But no
choice - gotta learn them ![:-(]() Protection
is much more interesting. I wonder what General (Analysis) includes. |
MX
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 07:45 pm:
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Thanks alot guys, i guess i will be the first from this
group to be taking this test since i am in Pakistan. GOOD LUCK TO
ALL !!! HOPE THAT YOU ALL MAKE IT ??? |
x
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 08:05 pm:
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Thanks MX. It is not about "making it" during the test.
It is not so difficult to write answers to those 16 questions, let
it be either in a short or extended form. It is about being selected
afterwards ![:-)]()
Take
care |
guest
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| Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 06:09 am:
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OK, heading for the test. Let's share here our thoughts
about the test. |
guest
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| Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 07:02 am:
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8am in Geneva, on my way...how was it for others? |
Vugar
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| Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 03:50 pm:
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Hello everyone. I just took the test. I didn't find it
too difficult. But I couldn't answer properly to two questions out
of 16: one was the question about the most important WFP/UNHCR functions
as outlined in the MOU. We were supposed to name
a) 3 most
important responsilibities of WFP,
b) 3 of UNHCR and
c)
3 joint UNHCR
and WFP.
I managed to recall only 2 of each a, b and c.
And the other question that I answered wrongly was the
definition of the "inter...."-something notion in the UNHCR context
(prohibition of landing.) The word itself didnt't ring the bell for
me, and I looked for the meaning in the dictionary. It said
"prohibition", and the first thing I thought was the prohibitoin of
refoulement. So, I took the risk and wrote extensively about the
non-refoulement prinicple. Later after the test, it turned out that
it was not about the prohibition of refoulement, but rather when the
authorities prohibit the admission/landing in your country. Which I
didn't know ![:-(]()
The rest of the
questions were more or less OK. I tried to write as much as I could
and give reference to international instruments.
I did not
like the case study in Part 3. I chose Case 2, although first I
thought it would be better to select Case 1 as it awarded more
points. But when I looked at the case, I said "NO WAY".
The
Case Study about the ill colleague (the Code of Conduct section) was
OK. But then we were required to refer to the Core Values that are
relevant to the case. Of course it is always difficult to recall the
exact wording of the relevant Guiding Principles. So,I had to
improvise and write with my own words... Hope it is acceptible and
the examiners do not check our memory and the ability to memorize,
but rather the ability to think and analyze.
Re: indicators,
objectives and outputs. Were we required to provide just an example?
I chose the example of the vaccination of new-borns in a camp. Hope,
this is acceptable.
What else? My head goes crazy, I need
some sleep. Will write later. You guys too, get some rest and then
later please share your impressions...
BTW, we were only two
people taking the test. It was in Budapest.
Vugar |
guest
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| Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 04:08 pm:
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Hi Vugar and all,
I took the test with
approximately 100-150 people in Geneva....
Blanked out some
of the WFP responsibilities although it was on the reading list and
just manage to skim through rather than spend a long time on it.
As for interdiction - if it is as you mention to do with a
country prohibiting admission/landing in their country then it does
refer to the (non-)refoulement principle, no?
As with you,
hoping for a review on analytical skills rather than memory although
people around me seem to have had a lot more than me as their
responses were somewhat longer, but let's count on quality rather
than quantity, or so I hope so.
The examination officers
were pretty hopeless (my apologies if you are reading!) in terms of
giving any further information as to when we would get a response or
whether everyone or only selected candidates would get a response,
so not much help there.
Am fairly brainwashed but back at
work...was back 10 mins after finishing the test and very much
looking forward to the weekend!
Any further thoughts,
comparisons, experience sharing??? |
Vugar
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 05:09 pm:
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I didn't enjoy the first case study in Part 1 at all
(Ruud Luubers' speech and identifying 5 examples of inter-agency
cooperation, underlying the importance of cooperation, etc, etc...)
I had to read the speech for several times before I managed to see
those agencies named there. It looked very much like a GRE test. And
it was quite time consuming given the shortage of time (only one
hour to read the speech and answer to two essay-type questions).
The Case regarding the ill colleague was OK. I wrote about the
confidentialty of medical status of staff. We were supposed to
choose two possible actions after we learn about the fact of
decease. So, one that I chose was "keeping the information
confidentially from staff members" and the second action was "upon
talking to that ill guy, bringing the matter to the attention of the
supervisor and asking for the advise." I am not sure whether the
second option was correct. In a way it contradicts the first one,
which says keeping the information absolutely confidential from
everyone. But maybe by "everyone" they mean only staff and not the
supervisor. But all other options that were even worse (removal,
etc.) and irrelevant.
Regarding this "interdiction" question
- what do the others think? Was the non-refoulement answer relevant
in this context or was it about the denial of admission to the boats
with refugees?
Our supervisor did not know too much about
the follow up either. She just said it was the IPR-3,
suggesting that there were 2 more IPRs oin the past... No more news
from them.
Intl Humanitarian Law vs. Intl Human Rights Law.
I guess it was clear - the former is known also as the "law of war"
and is applicable for the time of war and is aimed to protect
civilians, POWs, wounded and sick combatants in field and war,
whereas the Intl Human Righst law covers a broader context and is
applicable during non-war time as well. Smth. like this. And I
mentioned the main international instruments of Intl. Humanitarian
Law - the four 1949 Geneva Conventions and two additional protocols
of 1977. Right?
Well, the difference between refugees and
IDPs is easy - the first category are the ones who cross he
international border while IDPs do not... Mentioning the Guiding
Principles on Internal Displacement...
Can the draft evader
be a refugee? Well, depends on circumstances... Wrote a paragraph
about the circumstances when the draft evader can be granted asylum.
Can remmeber now what I wrote ![:-)]() My brain
doesn't work anymore.
Gotta have some
sleep. |
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 10:36 pm:
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Personally I thought the test was a nightmare. But if
there is anyone else out there like me who thinks that they didn't
pass it, then you can take slim comfort from the thought that even
if you do, it may not necessarily lead anywhere. Spoke to someone
who passed it last year. Apparently you get an email in about a
month IF you have passed. Then from time to time you are invited to
apply for various positions that come up. You can apply and you may
or may not hear anything back... |
Susan
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 01:49 am:
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That's interesting that there were up to 150 in Geneva. I
was in NY (45 total here) and was told by our administrator (former
UNHCR
protection officer) that there were about 180 total worldwide.
I believe that interdiction according to the UNHCR refers to
preventing the entry of an asylum seeker into your country, weather
it be at the land border or sea border. This basically is the
equivalent of refoulement.
Some of the questions from Part
III were pulled verbatim from this webpage on the UNHCR website:
http://www.unhcr.ch/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/basics/+DwwBm7ewAbdnwwwhFqoUfIfRZ2ItFqtxw5
oq5zFqtFEIfgIAFqoUfIfRZ2IDzmxwww1FqtFEIfgI/opendoc.htm#who%20decides |
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 08:10 am:
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I felt that for the 4th part of the test there was too
much time - 2 hours! I answered all the questions, none of which
seemed to require a long answer and still had an hour to kill. Did I
miss something? In Paris there were 30 taking the test. Good luck to
everybody... |
guest5
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 08:24 am:
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30 in Paris, 45 in NY, 2 in Budapest, 100-150 in Geneva,
2 in Budapest, 1 in Liberia, at least 1 in pakistan and 1 in Israel
(according on what I read on this forum) and 23 in Rome . The total
for the moment is 255. |
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 09:21 am:
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you can 68 in brussels to that
number |
Guest2
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 09:28 am:
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Hello, I was in Rome (23 are you sure??) I thought about
15 but actually I never counted. I think overall the test was OK,
but what drove me crazy was the question about the responsibilities
of both UNHCR
and WFP, I read the MOU but couldn't remember anything, made up some
things which could be correct about logistics and appeals to donors,
but I left the rest blank. The other one about interdiction, was not
so good either. Had no idea what to write. What else?? yes the
objective and outputs part, that was terrible though I read it but
was not sure if that was correct, wrote something about increasing
percentage of education between kids age 10-13. As for the case
studies, I also chose 2 though it is less points (I also didn t find
this fair, both cases should have the same points), with the option
of waking up the governor and suggesting to call my supervisor in
the branch office instead of waiting for an answer by email.
As
for the case of the ill Manu, I also couldn't recall the exact words
and it will be very strange to expect people who didn't work with
the UNHCR to
recall it (my personal comment here), so I talked about the part
where security and safety of the staff is important (responsibility
of the managers), and the other part about promoting team spirit
(managers responsibility as well that's why Nadia talked to Manu in
the begining). But my choices were: my own suggestion which is to
talk to the employee to seek medical help and then seek guidance
from my supervisor. I didn't chose the one with talking with the
other staff members because though they could be knowing sooner or
later, this is not the first thing I should do (if I am the
supervisor) after I know. I have to solve the problem I have first
and make sure the ill worker gets help and avoid spreading the
disease. My head is also spinning, I had to fly to Rome and came
back only last night at 10:30pm and now back to work.. Really
looking forward to this weekend.. Personally, I won t expect much
from this test, but at least I did it for myself. Good luck
everyone.. |
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 12:07 pm:
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Hi all,
Imagine, I took my test in Lusaka, there
were four participants (all males)! Some of you have gone blank,
where is Lusaka? I will leave that as a continuity of the IPR Entry Test;
for someone wanting to join the UN family, geography should also be
part of test materials... (a bit of humour; isn't)
UNHCR has
initially said I quote: "This essay based test will gauge the
analytical skills, as well as the awareness of the international
environment, knowledge of the United Nations and refugee affairs,
command of English, and computer literacy"; end of quote.
In
my opinion, I found the above statement quite misleading because the
BULK of the IPR Entry Test
was about how capable you are to MEMORISE thousands of pages... is
that what they call intelligibility? They would have then made it
multiple choice.
Questions:
1) Was the total mark
summing up to 100?
PART I: 15 pts
PART II: 22 pts
PART
III: 8 pts (case 2) - not sure???
PART IV: 54 pts
2)
What is the pass mark?
3) Is the recruitment in UNHCR
transparent?
4) Is knowledge of UN languages (more than one) a
determining factor?
Good luck to U
all!!! |
guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 12:59 pm:
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Re points:
in Geneva, we were told to ignore the
points as they were not necessarily correct...
What this
means, I really don't know but just wanted to convey the info. |
Franky
Natch
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 04:45 pm:
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Hi everybody,
I took the tst in Geneva and I
believe we were about 120. I'm not sure. I heard that UNHCR received
about 3000 applications in January and that we were about 750 to
take the test all around the world. That may sound plausible.
As
far as the test itself is concerned, I found it difficult as you had
to know by heart all the literature we had to read... Analitycal
sense ? Where, when ? It was for people who can learn 500 pages by
heart. Not my style.
bye ! |
Nan
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 05:58 pm:
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Dear all,
I've ot the feelng that they don't want
to tell about the "pass "or "nt pass" problem bcecause they don't
even knoxw what theuir needs in the field will be? . there fore I
imagine they will call up peiople as a vacancy comes up. Becaues I
imagine some people will say "no" regarding to posts in countries
where they don't want to go to, like RDC, or other unsecure places
around the world. UNHCR will
contact one person after each other until they find how to fulfill a
specific vacancy. Xwhat do you think ?
In Genava, I talked to a
candidate, and he told me that even if he passed he was not sure to
be able to go and live in Africa or in Asia in basic conditions of
living... In this case, why taking the test as we all know that the
posts are based in hardship duty stations or/and in non-family duty
stations. Give me your feelings about this.
As for me, I do
accept theses conditions and know why I decided to take the test. |
DC
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 07:27 pm:
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Hi Everyone,
I am so relieved the test is over.
The test itself was not as difficult as I thought it would be. Of
course, I agree with all the above postings...my answers were a bit
on the general side as it was difficult to remember all the details
from the readings. The question on "interdication," I guessed at and
wrote about non-refoulement too. I answered the 1st case study in
section II, but did not remember the readings refering to specifc
steps to take in conducting assessments, so I based my answer on
past work experiences.
I took the test in Washington, DC.
There were 22 of us. The woman who administrated our test implied
that we would hear by June or July if we passed. If we do, we get
added to the roster. She seemed to think that those who pass have a
good shot at gaining employment with UNHCR, since
they no longer recruit externally anymore, but will do so internally
and through the roster. Good-luck everyone and enjoy the weekend! |
Pepe
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 08:21 pm:
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23 people in Madrid and there weren't other places in
Spain to take the test.
Good luck
everyone!!! |
guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 09:47 pm:
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Guest 5, there were about 15 people (or more) in
Vienna. It's interesting that there was a lady from Budapest (my
colleague here) whom they didn't allow to take the test here in
Budapest and they made her travel all the way to Vienna. I didn't
understand the point. They told her that there was no space in the
Budapest office, but we were only two people taking the test here.
And the UNHCR
office here is huge!!!
Also, there was a test center in
Rome. So, count them too.
Isn't Lusaka the capital of Zambia
in the southern Africa? I didn't look anywhere, just checking
myself. I know that Lagos is the capital of Nigeria and Harare is
the capital of Zimbabwe. Dar-es-salam is the capital of Tanzania,
and Luanda is in Angola.
I absolutely agree with you guys -
it wasn't about assessing our general analytical skills, but rather
testing the ability to memorize thousands of little (and sometimes
insignificant) details which don't matter in most of the cases.
Otherwise, what was this question on WFP for? Does these things
really matter when they test your IQ? I don't think so.
Nan, I think those candidates hope that maybe they
will get the offer of working in the Geneva HQ. I also don't mind
going even to Iraq or DRC, Rwanda, anywhere in the world, even
though I have a family and two little kids...
Franky
Natch, how do you know these numbers? I mean, are these numbers
credible? If yes, 750 is a terrible number ;) Until now, the UNHCR tried not
to disclose any statistics, that's why I am wondering if it is just
a rumor or real number...
DC Guest, it was written in
one of the letters that those who pass will hear from UNHCR within one
month after the test and they should be ready to take up their first
appointment from July. Very vaguely written though. What does this
"appointment" word imply? No further applications for specific posts
and just appointments? And what is this "from July"? Does it mean
in July or any time after July?
I think those
of us who wrote about non-refoulment in the question about
interdiction (including myself) gave the answer to the wrong
question. We should have written clearly about the prohibition of
admission of persons (including potential asylum seekers) into the
country without proper travel documentations. True, sometimes
interdiction constitutes the act of refoulement, which itself is
prohibited. But in this context, the interdiction/prohibition refers
to the prohibition of admission and not the prohibition of
refoulement. This was our mistake. But, sorry, I do not remember
that I encountered this term anywhere in the reading materials. Did
anyone?
Check this out:
http://www.web.net/~ccr/interdictionab.htm
It says extensively about the interdiction.
Stay
cool and cheer up. |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 09:56 pm:
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hey guys,
i was told by the exam administrator
that there were about 500 people taking the test in 83 countries... |
g
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 10:33 pm:
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I think all these numbers are not credible at all as they
do conflict each other. So, better not to rely on them, relax and
patiently wait for one month.
I heard there were a few people
from last year who passed the test, got into the IPR and then
were invited several times to APPLY (exactly, APPLY) for the
specific positions as roster-members. They did apply and then to
their surprise they received the standard "thank you for your
interest, try again" replies. And after some time they stopped
receiving any further invitatoins at all. I wonder then what the
point of this IPR test is. I
can receive such replies from many other places without taking the
tests. |
Guest2
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 11:18 pm:
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Hello again, I think the whole point of this test as the
UNHCR wrote
when they sent us the invitation to take the test, and I am quoting
"The IPR will
create a pool of pre-selected candidates from which UNHCR can
recruit when international professional vacancies are authorized for
external recruitment." So actually it is just to make easier for the
UNHCR to
chose people later on only if there are vacancies for external
recruitment. That's why I am not hoping too much, still will look
for other jobs and wish for the best. Take care guys and have a good
much deserved weekend.. |
J
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 11:32 pm:
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Just a comment regarding test format. Although they did
inform us that it was a computer-based test, I had a hard time to
scroll up and down to read the questions which were a thousand miles
away from the answer sheet - especially, for the Part 1 which we had
to "analyze" the 5-page long speech. Personally, I would have
appreciated if we were given a print-out question at least for the
Part 1.
Regarding the last-minute confirmation on test
location and time, I expected the UNHCR to be a
better planner and communicator. This was a BIG surprise as I hear
some people had to fly just to take this exam. Yesterday, I got an
email from the local office where I took the test and I have to
visit them once again next Monday because they forgot to get our
signatures for the test. At least, I don t have to book a flight to
travel all the way just for this. . .
Bonne chance and bon
weekend to all! |
ved
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 11:48 pm:
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Exactly! Even if we get into the roster (which itself is
a difficult task) and receive the official notification about it, it
does not guarantee absolutely anything. This list will serve as a
waiting list when
1) there are some vacancy opennings;
2) search for internal candidates to fill the vacancies does not
produce result (the probability of this scenario is almost zero, as
there are always hundreds of people in UNHCR with
expiring contracts who want to renew them);
3) only and only
then will the human resources office turn to this roster to see whom
the offer to apply could be made. Again, it is not the offer of a
position - it is just the invitation to apply with the possible
"thank you for your interest, try again" outcome, as the offer to
apply will be made not to one but to many members of the roster.
Keep also in mind, that this roster will be active only for
one year. And then it will expire.
So, it is not only about
passing this Entry Test and receiving the nice letter in one month
about your getting into the roster. There are the above three stages
too, which you should pass within one year.
Doesn't sound
too promising, even if we happen to pass this test. So, I will
continue looking for the jobs.
I think applying straight to
the advertised UN positions is just hopeless, unless you have
personal connections there. Getting the job by applying as an
external candidate through this http://www.un.org/ is unrealistic! This is what
someone very competent told me. So, those who still have the
illusion that the UN recruiters ever look into the on-line
applications, just abandon it. The on-line applications and PHP go
straight to trash. Sorry, but I know it... |
franky natch
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| Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 11:06 am:
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Hi,
Concerning the numbers I heard of: I was told
them by a candidate who is working at the moment in one of the UN
agencies in Geneva. And he knew very well one of the guyes who were
looking after us during the test. This guy told him about the 3000
applications and the 750 candidates. Now whether this is true or
not... Great question !
Concerning the UN
online-applications, I think they don't even look at them. That's
right.
But once, in 2002, I went up to the final selection for a
UNDP job based in NY and we were only two left (I was said they had
received more than 500 applications). Unfortunately, all the
recruiters, in fine, were Americans and guess what ? They took the
American guy. Maybe he was better than I, but I think I had a big
disadvantage: my mother tongue is French even though my command of
English is OK. "That's the way the cookie crumbles" as they say in
English. |
ved
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| Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 01:18 pm:
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yes, that unfortunately is true. Protection applies not
only to refugees, but also during recruitment... You do need
personal connections. Unfortunately, this is a sad reality. And I
know this for sure: a high-ranking UN recruiter told me this once
privately in NY.
Otherwise, applying to UN like this, i.e.
from the street, is like sending your application straight to trash.
Let's see how it works with this IPR stuff. I am
not optimistic at all, even if being number one after the test.
Possible, that they will never even turn to the roster for external
recruitment. Then in one year we can forget that we ever took this
test.
Let's be realistic: if we consider that out of 3000
applicants 750 were invited to take the test and, let's say, we are
top 10% as a result of the test. Trust me: I DO NOT BELEIVE that
during the year there will be 75 people recruited "externally" from
the roster. It is an unbelivable number. I doubt that there will be
75 vacancies at all, let alone them being only for the externals. It
is just unrealistic. In the most optimistic scenario, there will be
something around 50 vacancies announced during the year, half of
them being for the internal candidates and some 20-25 posts offered
to those in the roster. That makes only 3% of the test-takers. I
hope I am wrong. |
Sanjeev
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| Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:41 am:
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Dear Friends,
I am interested in knowing whether
anybody from India had been convoked for the IPR Test and had
taken the examination.
I had applied but it seems I was not
convoked as I got to know today that the test has already been
conducted.
Thanks & Regards
Sanjeev |
Floppy Disk
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| Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 01:11 pm:
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In Stockholm there were 5 persons taking an exam. Almost
all Nordic and Baltic countries were represented.
Generally I
was satisfied with the course of test. After finishing each part,
our fruits of work were saved at the floppy disk. As I have had bad
experiences with floppy disks I looked suspiciously to this
procedure. It would have been better (and maybe fairer?) if an
examinator would asked to print out a completed part, sign it and to
put into the envelope with other materials and sign also the
envelope to be forwarded to UNHCR. In this
case the material would have been better protected against loss of
information. I wish to all of you success and I am sure that some of
you will end up being employed by UNHCR! |
Franky Natch
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 10:51 am:
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Hello Floppy Disk,
Don't be afraid, it was the
same for us in Geneva. At the end of the test, the info were
registered on a "USB key" by a technician. Not more secure than on a
floppy disk, is it ? |
Vugar
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 01:24 pm:
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same in Budapest - our answers were copied to a floppy
disk and the ones in the PC's hard disk were
deleted. |
Ymk
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 02:22 pm:
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Hi all,
Reading some of the postings on this
forum, makes me wonder the extent of corruption in the UN system.
Because if for one to be employed, one needs to have 'contacts' if
these claims are anything to go by! How many people may have sold
their bodies (who knows even their lives...) to get a job with a UN
agency.
To Guest 000: Thanks for that refresher lesson on
capital cities of some of the Southern African countries...
Good luck to all! |
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 11:41 pm:
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Hi YMK,
I worked with the UN as an intern and UNV
and saw a fair bit of corruption, especially in relation to getting
jobs - but you could start a whole new list about that! The sad
thing is that people just seem to accept it as the way things are
(few UN employees want to rock the boat) and that the Office for
Internal Oversight Services does not seem to have adequate resources
to police nepotism. |
shamil
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 01:39 am:
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hi people,
i was in argentina doing the test with on
other person, a chick from bolivia.
the interdiction question
was in my opinion NOT in the reading material.
the rest was ok
for me, the questions were partly rather unspecific and ambivalent.
i.e:
list examples of cooperations.. well what "regional
examples" or " administrative examples" or "technical examples"??
greets
shamil |
Franky Natch
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 09:35 am:
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I propose that the first of us who - one day or another -
obtain a projob position from UNHCR or any
other UN agency announce that to the others on that forum. This way,
we'll see that one can obtain a job from this tentacular and obscure
organization ! |
Ciara
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:01 am:
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Hi all,
I had been invited to take the test, but then
had to cancel due to some urgent private stuff.
I'd still be
curious to hear more about the questions they asked (apart from what
I can gather from the previous posts). Especially: what were the
case studies like? What were the questions they asked concerning the
code of conduct? Etc??
Cheers
Ciara
you can also
email me to coco_calzone@yahoo.de |
guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:46 am:
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Salam Shamil, are you from North
Caucasus? |
Ymk
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 11:15 am:
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Hi Guest 6,
Thanks for those inside info. Now you
said that you worked for UN as a UNV, are you still there as a UNV?
If so, did you seat for the recent IPR Entry Test,
because I know of the place where 75% of the participants were UNVs
currently working for UNHCR.
Coming back to UN transparency in its recruitment process,
it seems like we've got a problem at hand.
Have a look at: http://recrutweb.unesco.org/geographical/summarylist_en.asp?selLanguage=country_e&B1=Submit
I would propose that all other UN agencies emulate UNESCO and on
top of that if all UN agencies could be publishing annual statisitcs
on their recruitment drives!
Cheers. |
guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 11:50 am:
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This report is from 2000 but given the paucity of other
information on UN recruitment is still very revealing. Will give you
hope or despair, depending which part you read. (I particularly
enjoyed the statistics on page 7 detailing number of applications,
numbers convoked to exam, and numbers recruited...)
http://www.unsystem.org/jiu/data/reports/2000/en2000_7.pdf |
Franky Natch
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 12:22 pm:
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Is there someone out there who took the entry test in
Paris and/or Brussels ? Just asking because I wonder how many people
whose mother tongue is French took the test. If I can remember, I
read somewhere that UNHCR is looking
more especially for French-speakers and Arabic-speakers. Whether
this is true or not... |
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:14 pm:
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Franky,
I took the test in Paris, though I
noticed that of the 30 people taking the test, there were quite a
few people from non-Francophone countries (myself included). I also
think I read that UNHCR is looking
for English and French or Arabic speakers. This seems to apply to
other UN agencies too and reflects where the UN is working (or
expects to work) these days... |
guest6
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 11:20 pm:
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As Franky Natch suggested, I would ask the first who get
an answer>post proposal>job, just let us know.
I think UNHCR roster
will work a little bit like UNV roster: first they call you &/or
send you a post proposal; second you can express your interest, but
then on the positive answers they make the final selection. So this
is the reason why the roster could not bring to anything concrete.
On recruitment process: I would not be negative on all the
frontline, I was quite surprised I was even invited to take the test
and I really don't know anyone working in the UN system who could
have influenced recruiters in Geneva. As I'm living in a country
where if you don't know, you don't get even if you're qualified, I
was happy to arrive at least to this phase. |
Franky Natch
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| Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 11:53 am:
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Sometimes I wonder whether the myth the UN is looking for
French speakers is true. Quite often, I answer to vacancies where
French language (oral and written) is a MUST (as they write). And I
don't even get an answer back. I know that lots of people already
working for the UN can cope with French but... What about Arabic
speakers ? I suppose less people can cope wihth this language not
easy to grasp. Do Arabic speakers get more offers from the UN and
other agencies ? No idea.
Another question : concerning the jobs
at UNHCR, do
you think one gets a training before going into the field ? Or do
you think they send people directly into the field
? |
ved
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| Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 01:40 pm:
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Franky, I think this two-month preparatory session with
tons of readings and with the test in the end was in itself the
training. I guess they expect us to be professionals who do not need
extra training. |
Guest2
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| Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 03:31 pm:
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Franky, I am a native Arabic speaker, and I took the test
in Rome.. I have applied to other jobs (FAO and ICC) where Arabic is
a must as well (beside English), but never got any reply.. It is
true that Arabic is more difficult than French for example, but
don't forget that many people applied to take the test in Arab
countries as well.. I have a friend who was a UNIV, with perfect
English and Arabic.. she was invited to take the test in Cairo
office.. I am sure many others.. |
Saddam Validi
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| Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 11:46 am:
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HELLO GUYS. DOES IT MEAN THAT IF WE DID FINE AT THE EXAM
AND PASSED IT, WE SHOULD EXPECT TO HEAR FROM UNHCR BY FRIDAY,
MAY 27. AND IF BY 18:00 GENEVA TIME NOTHING COMES IT MEANS WE ARE
OUT? I WILL MARK MAY 27 IN MY CALENDAR AS THE DATE AFTER WHICH (in
case nothing comes by that day) I SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANYTHING AND
GIVE UP MY HOPES AND DREAM ![:-)]()
ANOTHER THING: MY FIRST NAME IS SADDAM, MY LAST NAME IS NOT
HUSEYN THOUGH, IT IS DIFFERENT. I SUFFERED SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THIS
NAME. WHEREVER I AM APPLYING NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE ME BECAUSE MY NAME
SOUNDS LIKE A SUDDEN STORM DURING THE SUNNY DAY AND GETS ON THEIR
NERVES. YET, SADDAM IS A COMMON NAME. WHAT IS MY FAULT? I DON'T WANT
TO CHANGE IT. THERE ARE SO MANY ADOLFS IN THE WORLD DOING FINE AND
WORKING IN NICE ORGANIZATIONS. AND NO ONE DISCRIMINATES THEM. BUT
WHY AM I THE ONE WHO IS DISCRIMINATED. UNTIL I SAY WHAT MY NAME IS
EVERYTHING GOES FINE, AS SOON AS I SAY MY NAME IT RAISES THE
EYEBROWS OF PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS) AND THEY LOSE
THEIR INTEREST ![:-(]() WHAT SHOULD I DO? DO
YOU THINK UNHCR WILL TURN
MY CANDIDACY DOWN IN THE LAST MINUTE BECASUE OF MY
NAME? |
Brian Banks
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| Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 01:59 pm:
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Reading these postings, I just think "God save UNHCR"..... |
Jenny Talbot
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| Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 02:00 pm:
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Brian, you're a wise man, I couldn't agree more. |
guest guest guest
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 04:01 pm:
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To Brian :
Please, leave God where he is. |
guest guest guest
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 09:22 pm:
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To guest guest geust
How do you know God is a he? |
gate crasher
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 09:42 pm:
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To guest guest guest
I agree with guest guest
guest guest. I think you have forgotten about gender sensitive
approaches.... |
Robert Mugabe
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 10:48 am:
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To guest guest guest
In defence of Brian, if you
leave God where he or she is, he or she can still save you! Your can
run but you can't hide! |
Nan
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 10:49 am:
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This forum should be closed down. You're all seem to be
out of your mind ! |
Sadaka Ogata
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 12:17 pm:
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If even 10% of the people posting messages on this forum
get accepted by UNHCR, UNHCR should be
shut down, never mind this forum! |
Ruud Lubbers
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 01:39 pm:
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Sadaka, I think you are too generous.... I would say 5%. |
Wendy Chamberlin
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 04:58 pm:
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My dear friends Ruud and Ogata, you guys seem to forget
that you are out of the office. I AM THE HIGH COMMISSIONER TODAY!!!
![:-)]() And reading the postings, I wouldn't
accept even 1% of them. The IPR projet is
canceled! Thank you for your interest in UNHCR! |
Nichole
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 05:12 pm:
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Dear friends, indeed let's not turn this forum into the
place of practicing and exercising our sarcasm and sense of humor
(which I value a lot though). Please remember that we applied to the
same organization and we may become colleagues. The next two weeks
will remain nervous because of this crazy uncertainty. Let's just
hope that the results of the test prove to be good and we get in.
Some people will, some will not. But this is life.
The first
one who gets the positive response from Geneva, please post the
message here and share with us the content of the letter (to the
extend you feel comfortable - no need to mention the names or
specific positions or salaries). Just the wording matters.
Saddam Validi, indeed I think we should mark the 27th May.
If we don't hear anything by that day, then it is just bad luck. So,
talk to you guys here on the 27th.
Nichole |
Donald Rumsfeld
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 05:22 pm:
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I fear our potential future boss Wendy has it right with
her 1%. For those of us falling in the other 99%, I suggest we apply
to the US Department for Homeland Security where the general level
of intelligence, time on our hands, spelling, analysis and personal
neurosis will suit us all fine! |
Pope Benedict
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 05:35 pm:
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Dear Wendy
You are too harsh: please employ
Jerome. He kicked off this wonderful collection of contributions
without which we would all be laughing a lot less. And consider
Nichole too for her diplomatic skills which will be needed if she
has to work with the rest of us. |
Pope Benedict
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 05:37 pm:
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PS Please also employ Vugar Vugar, just for the name! |
Translator for Saddam
Hussein
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 09:21 pm:
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Note: in almost every case, the translator is translating
what Saddam Hussein has just said in Arabic.
PPS. And please
do consider creating a UNHCR
Anti-Discrimination-Against-All-Names Professional Roster (APR) and
appoint Saddam Validi as a Special Representative for Namesake-ly
Discriminated Persons (NDPs).
The Universal Declaration of Human
Rights clearly defines in article 23. (1): "Everyone has the right
to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favorable
conditions of work and to protection against unemployment." |
Guest2
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 04:10 pm:
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For Nichole, Not sure why this made me think of you....!
In a Nairobi restaurant:
"CUSTOMERS WHO FIND OUR
WAITRESSES RUDE OUGHT TO SEE THE MANAGER." |
skeptical unemployed
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 05:29 pm:
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"Franky, I think this two-month preparatory session with
tons of readings and with the test in the end was in itself the
training. I guess they expect us to be professionals who do not need
extra training."
Who got two months to prepare for the test?
I didn't even get 28 days.... But I agree with the rest of the
message, I would surprise me that there is any training planned...or
any other thing realy planned.
Good luck to everybody with
your other job applications. |
sceptical with a K
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 05:38 pm:
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Talking of UNHCR planning,
one of my favourite sentences from half way into a "UNHCR evaluation
and policy documentation" document dealing with surveys:
"....Before carrying out a survey, it should be considered
whether the survey is necessary...."
If we get a job with
HCR, maybe we can carry out a new survey about whether surveys are
necessary though we would of course have to carefully consider
whether that would be necessary.... |
perspective
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 05:56 pm:
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Desiderata
Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as
possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexations to
the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may
become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and
lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as
your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however
humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the
world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what
virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and
everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about
love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it
is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of
the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many
fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome
discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child
of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you
have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you
conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it
is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, |
Brian and perspective
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 06:04 pm:
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Words for those who are feeling nervous....
"...Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what
peace there may be in silence ..." |
Bill
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 09:25 am:
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This forum should definitively be shut down... |
Brian
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 10:13 am:
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Hear hear |
Guest
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 10:22 am:
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Dear Nicole,
I may have missed something but
where did you get the date of the 27th May for receiving any kind of
result?
I mention "result" as I do not think any position or
salary will be mentioned according to the description of the roster.
Thank you for letting me know. |
Chris Farrer
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 12:15 pm:
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I never heard of any result date. I just understood that
people will be called only if they are offered a post. That's what
we were told in Geneva. There is no "pass or fail" list. People are
called when UNHCR has an
interest in them.
Has anyone else understood something different
? |
Nichole
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 12:59 pm:
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In the first letter that we all received it was written
that those who pass the test will hear from UNHCR within a
month after the test. If we took the test on April 28, then I guess
the last day when we can hear the positive response should be
Friday, May 27, 18:00 Geneva time. I am just thinking, not knowing
anything for sure.
Pape Benedict - may God hear your voice.
Chris Farrer - I think you got it right. But as I
understood, before being called for a specific position, those who
stay in the roster (i.e. pass the test) will be notified about this.
At least, this is what was clearly written in the first letter that
we all received:
"Candidates who pass the test will be
informed by the Recruitment and Postings Sections about one month
after the test and their names will be included on the IPR."
I think this is the answer to the
question. |
guest
10
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 01:00 pm:
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Chris is right. I copied the UNHCR
announcement into word and saved it. Here is the relevant part (para
16!):
"Timetable for administering the Roster
....
15. Retained applicants to the Roster will be invited to take an
Entry Test approximately 3 4 weeks from receiving confirmation of
their retention, and will be provided with information regarding the
timing and administration of the test. This essay based test will
gauge the analytical skills, as well as the awareness of the
international environment, knowledge of the United Nations and
refugee affairs, command of English, and computer literacy.
16. The next main posting session will take place in June
2005, and UNHCR will
contact only those appointed. Roster candidates who are not
appointed to posts will remain on the Roster for one year, but may
be contacted to gauge their interest in particular posts or short
term assignments." |
Nichole
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 01:06 pm:
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Chris Farrer, if as you say there is no "pass and fail
list", then why are they writing about "candidates who
the test"? And generally, what is the
point of this test if there is no pass and fail
outcome? |
applicant 749
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 01:15 pm:
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I think the answer is now clear. |
Sab
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 11:08 pm:
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hello IPR candidates,
any news ? |
Carleone
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| Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 01:19 pm:
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Nothing yet. Gotta wait 10 more days. Be patient. We all
are gonna be accepted ![:-)]() I talked to
someone very senior in UNHCR. I made
him an offer that he could not refuse. |
someone senior in UNHCR
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 03:44 pm:
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not that we talked much.... |
someone junior in UNHCR
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 04:02 pm:
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Carleone
(are you a vehicle from Sierra Leone?)
Meet me at the water front, Barcelonetta, Barcelona, tonight
22:00. I'll be wearing a blue and white plastic
anorak. |
guest
1
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 06:51 pm:
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Essential and excellent reading for those of you who want
to have a clear and intelligent conceptual framework to challenge
both western governments' human rights discourse and their pretence
of helping the people they bomb and occupy and for those keen on
challenging UNHCR's "rights
based / long term development approach to protection:
DAVID
CHANDLER: FROM KOSOVO TO KABUL (2002)
ISBN 0-7453-1883-5 |
Barzini & Tataglia
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 01:29 pm:
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See you around, Vito |
Al
Pacino
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 01:55 pm:
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In case anyone is getting lost, the last message and
"Carleone" refers to the "five families" in the God Father, which
are are Corleone, Tataglia, Barzini, Stracci, and Cunio. The five
families in real life are Bonnano, Columbo, Gambino, Genovese, and
Luccese.
Fascinating stuff.... |
Robert de Niro in
young years
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 02:59 pm:
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Al, my friend, Solazzio (Turk) is also worth being
mentioned. And poor Moe, the king of Las Vegas. He would have
definitely passed the IPR test even
with one eye, as it is a win-and-win game for
him. |
guest6
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 02:49 pm:
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To Chris Farrer and applicant 749: I think Nicole is
right, because from the last sentence of the IPR test
announcement(you can find it above in one of barbara's
messages)"Candidates who were not successful in the last IPR test may
wish to re-apply and sit for the next exam which will be announced
at a later stage" I understand that there is a pass/fail list. In
any case good luck to everyone! |
guest
99
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 04:11 pm:
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To guest 6
paragraph 16 ("16. The next main
posting session will take place in June 2005, and UNHCR will
contact only those appointed....)" and the last sentence that you
quote ("Candidates who were not successful in the last IPR test may
wish to re-apply and sit for the next exam which will be announced
at a later stage") are not contradictory.
In other words,
a) para 16 tells you that if you fail to get through this
time, you will NOT be informed of that fact
b) paragraph 16
also informs you indirectly that if you have not heard by the end of
June from UNHCR you can
presume you have failed to get through
c) the sentence you
quote tells you that if you fail to get through this time, you can
reapply in the next intake at the end of the year.
No
contradiction. Just common sense. |
ved
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 04:46 pm:
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To guest 99:
Correct, except for a small
contradiction in the dates they are referring to. In one letter,
they write that those who pass will be informed within one
month after the test, meaning by 27 May. And in the other
letter, they write that the next posting session will take place in
June 2005, obviously implying that you can expect to hear from them
by the end of June.
Therefore, the question is
when exactly is the last day beyond which you should not
wait? |
guest
99
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 05:05 pm:
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To ved
Fair point!
I guess you mean the sentence
from the end of March 2005 email confirming invitation to the exam
("... Follow-up... Candidates who pass the test will be informed by
the Recruitment and Postings Sections about one month after the test
and their names will be included on the IPR....")
So there is a contradiction between the original invitation
for applications posted on the website in 2004 (which includes para
16) and the exam invitation email of March 2005.
I think the
answer is probably that para 16 is their standard wording, probably
taken from the general invitation last year and the email is the
most recent revision of the procedure. So I guess
a) there
is no pass or fail list
b) as per para 16 only those who pass
are informed
c) those who pass will be informed at the end of
May/early June. |
guest
99
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 05:06 pm:
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PS to Ved
You want an "exactly" from UNHCR????
If you are an "excatly" kind of guy, I would look for a
different job! |
guest
1
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 05:24 pm:
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Thanks for the clarification guest 99 - clear conclusion! |
ved
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 06:49 pm:
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Thanks 99! I just wish someone from recruitment
department visits this forum and sees what nerveous time we are
having here and maybe gives some clear answers to simple questions
(not that they are supposed to, but still). Things would be much
clearer then. |
Bob
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 06:58 pm:
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Compared to one or two major/leading NGOs whose
recruitment process I have gone through in the past, HCR's procedure
is a dream come true! With a few limited exceptions, Human Resources
personnel are not usually the clearest people in the world.... |
Sab
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:12 pm:
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I really wonder why nobody still hasn't understood that,
in fact, there is no real pass/fail list. UNHCR will call
people in the coming weeks as they open posts around the world. And
that's it. Because if the first one called for, let's say, a job as
a HR officer in the field and if the person says "Well, I can come
but only in three months time", I suppose UNHCR will not
wait for this person but will instead call a second person and so on
until they find someone who says "yes" and is ready to take a post
in a week time.
Who agrees with me ? |
ved
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 11:22 pm:
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Sab, please explain me - how can it be possible that
there is no "pass/fail" list if UNHCR is going
to notify (and then appoint) only those who PASS? This is
what they clearly write in their emails.
Besides, if there
is no grading of our tests, then what was the point of having it in
the first place? Just for fun? Obviously, there WILL be filtering
after the tests are checked. Logically speaking, those who are
filtered out are the ones who fail. And those who are not
filtered out and are retained in the list become the rostered
people, i.e. they pass. Hence, pass and fail list.
Do
you mean, everyone who was invited to take the test can be called
for a post regardless of how he/she did at the test? If yes, then
again, what was the point of this test? If not, then apparently
there is a pass and fail list. Please correct me if it
doesn't make sense. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 11:29 pm:
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I think I got your point (please correct me if I am
wrong). Do you mean that none of the failed people will be called
for any position whatsoever and not everyone who has passed will be
called? In other words, if you failed the test, your invitation to
take up a post is simply ruled out, while it is not necessarily
guaranteed that you will be called if you have passed the test. If
this is what you mean, then you are right, this is the case,
although they don't openly write about it. |
guest
7
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:01 am:
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Brian
You were right |
guest
11
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| Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 01:03 pm:
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They don't openly write about it because this is the way
it works.
Moreover, not all candidates are ready to go and work
in the field in very poor and unsecure infrastructures even though
they wished to take the test. Lots of people are not ready to quit
their jobs as well as their Western way of living. That leaves more
options for those (not as high ranking in the test) but ready to go
somewhere in a refugee camp in DRC or Chad or Burundi or... |
jimmy
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| Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 01:12 pm:
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...or....
glasgow? |
Buba
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| Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 04:31 pm:
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I am from Chad. I hold BA in water resources. I would
like to work in Geneva and get a P-4 salary, to begin with. Do you
think it is possible? |
Lola
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| Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 04:47 pm:
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Buba, beleive me Chad is much nicer a place than Geneva.
Besides, your major in "water resources" is very important for the
qualified people like you to stay there and help the country's
irrigation. If you come to Geneva, who will reconstruct Chad's
economy? And you should not underestimate your skilss - you should
ask at least for a P-5 salary in the beginning. Or D-1. If they
offer you P-4, take it as an insult and reject
it! |
Buba
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 04:50 pm:
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okay Lola thanks man! I will! But first I need to hear
from them. Thank you bro again for advise, you are a cool man! |
guest
17
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 04:51 pm:
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Ah, Brian... Where are you? Come and read all these
postings. |
Guest
11
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 09:48 am:
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To Jimmy:
No need to be cynical, that does not help.
Better to behave as a clever person. Especially if you wish to work
for people in need like refugees or IDPs. |
Jimmy
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 11:14 am:
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To guest 11
You have never been to Glasgow have
you? |
Sarah
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 11:20 am:
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To guest 11
The two things you need above all to
work with UNHCR and people
in need is a sense of humour. Compassion and being "clever" comes
second to a sense of humour, believe me. |
Wee jock poo pong
McPlop
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 11:23 am:
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To Buba
Please come to Glasgow - we need your
help! And by the way, Lola is the name of a
lady... |
Mother of a naughty
boy
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 11:39 am:
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I agree with guest 17! We want Brian! He is a wise man!
Vote Brian for High Commissioner! |
Buba
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:03 pm:
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To Lola
I didn't tell you I am also from
Rekjavik. I hold a BA in seismology, an MA in fisheries and a PhD in
managing crap singers. I would like to work in Geneva on the lake
with lots of kind and friendly humanitarian workers and start on a
P-3 salary thank you very much take it or leave it. Can I? Please?
Oh, go on.... |
Guest
12
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 01:04 pm:
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This forum should be closed down
! |
Guest
11
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 01:06 pm:
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I even lived in Glasglow, mind you
! |
Mother of a very
naughty boy
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 01:08 pm:
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Guest 12 - I think that was Brian's initial point many
days ago! He is wise man! VOTE BRIAN!!!!!! |
Guest
1
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 02:19 pm:
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Please Mr Adminsitrator, close this forum down. |
Nan
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 02:23 pm:
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Isn't there an internet administrator who could shut down
this chat ? |
OMS
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 03:41 pm:
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All your remarks and comments are very interesting. I
read them all. Please go on. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 03:50 pm:
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Admin, please don't shut this forum down - let's be
patient and wait for a few more weeks to see the results. Just
ignore irrelevant postings. |
Buba
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 03:52 pm:
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Buba from Rekjavik is a clone. I am the real Buba. From
Chad. I can bet there is no single man or woman called Buba in
Iceland. |
Nichole
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 04:33 pm:
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` |
OMS
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 05:52 pm:
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???? All mad, arent'they ? |
WHO
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 06:11 pm:
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So am I : reading all your remarks. I'm having fun ! |
WFP
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 06:48 pm:
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anyone hungry here? |
Jimmy
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 10:13 am:
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Nichole - your silence is like an early morning over a
Scottish Loch. You are a poet! |
Brian & Co.
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 01:37 pm:
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Again :
"Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in
silence..." |
guest
666
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 01:36 am:
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I feel the nerviousness in the forum generated by the
approaching end of the one-month waiting
period. |
Lucifer
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:59 am:
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Damien
Is that you? |
Clochette
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 05:20 pm:
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Bonjour ous candidats,
Y en a-t-il ici qui ivent
couramment fran s ? Souhaitez-vous donner vos impressions sur le
test ? Pensez-vous que nous allons avoir des nouvelles du HCR fin
mai ?
A bient eut- e. |
Brian
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 05:48 pm:
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Si vous pouvez lire l'anglais, il ya plusieurs
impressions decrit en haut! |
Clochette
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 07:49 pm:
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Oui, merci, je sais parfaitement lire et ire anglais ;
mais je pense aussi qu'il y a des francophones qui souhaiteraient
lement s'exprimer dans leur langue. L''anglais a beau e la langue
universelle (et ce n'est pas peu dire), le fran s est aussi la
langue de r rence de l'ONU et de ses agences. N'est-ce pas ? |
Al
Pacino
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 10:18 pm:
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Vive la France! Votez "Non" a la Constitution
Europeene!!!!! Vive la France!!!! |
Nichole
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:17 pm:
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People! Do you mind to be asked not to litter this forum
with all irrelevant stuff? We all are waiting for the results of the
IPR test. We
agreed that those who first hear from UNHCR will post
here the content of the notifying letter and share the info with
everyone. If we write all this irrelevant rubbish here, people who
do get the reply from UNHCR will not
return here and will not share the info with us. We all are in the
same boat. It is in our common interest to keep this forum free of
irrelevant crap. There are many other places and forums where you
could chat on all sort of topics. But this place is about the UNHCR IPR test only.
So, please do respect your future might-be colleages and post only
relevant stuff.
Thank you. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:22 pm:
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Totally agree with Nichole. Guys, indeed, it's enough.
Exchange your emails and write to each other privately, if you have
so much free time. Please keep this forum for the IPR test only.
Thank you for your understanding. |
Saddam Validi
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:25 pm:
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Thank you Nichole. |
Clochette
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 07:07 am:
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I also agree. This forum is full of crap remarks and it's
a real shame. But I imagine we can't help it, can we
? |
Derek
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:13 am:
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The last messages are the most eloquent and sensible
messages I have read since the forum began! A real increase in
standards! So in full agreement! |
La
cochone
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 12:42 pm:
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"we can't help it?" |
NUN
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 04:15 pm:
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Does anyone know what date the results of the tests will
be communicated? TX |
guest
15
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 05:03 pm:
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TO NUN
see one of the postings above that came at
the end of a long discussion of this question....
The basic
conclusion was this:
There is a contradiction between the
original invitation for applications posted on the website in 2004
(which includes para 16 - see above for full quote) and the exam
invitation email of March 2005.
Resolving the contradiction
probably involves concluding that para 16 is their standard wording,
probably taken from the general invitation last year and the email
of end Macrh 2005 is the most recent revision of the procedure. So
the answer is
a) only those who pass the exam are informed
b) those who pass will be informed at the end of May/early June
c) to which positions those who pass will be posted is sorted
out in June and in the subsequent months through UNHCR contacting
succesful candidates to offer them specific posts as and when they
come up |
guest
22
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 05:15 pm:
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...in other words, if you want to be German about it,
they will let us know by 17:30 on 28th May (a Saturday so lets be
realistic....), and if you want to be "UNHCR" or lets
say more Italian about it, they will let us know sometime next week
(beginning 30 May) or the week after.....Best not to hold your
breath.....think Italian. |
Romano Prodi
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 05:22 pm:
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A new phrase for the High Commissioner to go with
Convenzione Plus: "think UNHCR, think
Italian"? |
Bill
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 05:41 pm:
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Think Republican! Don't think at
all! |
La Republique
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 06:43 pm:
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Pensez Francais! Vive la
France!!!!! |
Admin
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 10:45 pm:
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To Guest 22, Romano Prodi, Bill and La Republique:
Please respect the rules of the forum. Only the IPR-Test related
issues are discussed here.
Thank you for your understanding.
Admin |
Referee
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 09:27 am:
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Red card for all of you! Out of the forum! And stop
grinning! |
referee
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 09:29 am:
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PS For Admin
What are you doing pretending to be
Admin at 10:45 at night? At least do your impressions in office
hours and it would look more realistic! You have not been charged
for this advice! |
jimmy
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:33 pm:
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To admin
i agree with referee
as they say in
Glasgow,
is that the best you can
dooo?? |
Lola
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 05:23 pm:
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Anyone got answer from UNHCR? |
Mark
Butler
Admin
Username:
Admin
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2002
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 08:55 am:
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This is a reminder to please use usernames or personal
names on this site, and to respect that this isn't a chat-site, but
a means to share information relating to specific topics.
Thanks
Forum Administrator |
referee
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 09:36 am:
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Thats more like it! |
Bob
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:42 am:
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Patience Lola patience! We'll let you
know! |
Nichole
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:33 pm:
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Dear Everyone!
As the end of May is approaching,
we all become more anxious. The first one who gets the answer from
UNHCR, please
write about it here. Generally, everyone who hears from UNHCR about
being retained in the roster [and having passed the test], please
let us know and share as much information as you feel comfortable.
For privacy purpose, you do not have to write your real name or what
exactly is written in the notification letter. Yet, let's not forget
that for the whole month we all were in the same boat and shared the
same one-month-long expectation emotions. Therefore, please be
generous, show your solidarity with all of us and let us know what
UNHCR writes
in the notification letter. As detailed as you feel appropriate. You
don't have to disclose private information, of course.
If
there are many of us who shares the info, then this will help the
rest who do not hear from UNHCR not to
waste time for unnecessary waiting and abandon the hopes.
Thank you for your understanding! |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 04:31 pm:
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Friday is the last working day before the one-month
period is over... |
Mat
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:21 pm:
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Nichole,
You seem to be so confident that you'll
be the first one to receive a "pass" notice. No doubt about it. So,
please, stop stressing. |
@
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 09:46 am:
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Today is the last day, ah? ![:-)]()
It is 10:15 AM Geneva time. Six hours to the end of the working
day... |
Milan
FC
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 11:17 am:
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Think Italian! |
Liverpool!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:06 pm:
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Think English! |
Liverpool
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 02:24 pm:
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Think English! |
guest
15
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 04:21 pm:
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It's 17:20 Geneva time... Anyone heard from UNHCR? |
guest
16
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 04:30 pm:
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Don't mean to be pessimistic but I didn't really expect
to hear on the 27th exactly 1 month after the test. That test was
long and if they need to review 800 or so of them, it may take a
while. |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 04:40 pm:
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hello everyone,
I'm just as impatient as the rest of
you to hear about the results, but I seriously doubt that we're
going to hear anything today.
Past experience with the UN has
shown that we are likely to hear about this sooner rather than later
(I sure hope they prove me wrong though, the suspense is killing
me). Also, in Paris, where I sat my exam, the woman supervising
wrote on the board that results are to be expected June/July..
So let's all try to relax, give the "check mail" button a rest,
and trust that the results will come soon enough.
Cheers
F. |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 04:42 pm:
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sorry, meant to say later, rather than sooner....
wishful thinking I guess...
F. |
Nichole
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 07:01 pm:
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OK then, let's have a good weekend(-s) and forget about
it for a while.
Nichole |
guest
44
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:09 am:
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Don't worry Nichole, if UNHCR don't take
you there are a lot of NGOs that help displaced persons. You might
not have a big salary and you may have to do some work, but you can
still help all those people you so clearly want to
help |
Nichole
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:54 am:
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I have applied to hundreds of them. No reply has ever
come arrived, let alone a positive one. |
anonymous from HCR
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 11:03 am:
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Results will be in the end of June/ early July, the
soonest. The Compendium (the list of available positions/posts) will
be released in September/October and some of those posts will be
offered to apply for those who passed the IPR test. So no
worry if you don't hear anything until July. Until then, don't
inquire. If you don't hear until August, then you did not pass.
Everyone who passed the test will be notified in July and included
in the roster, but not everyone will be invited to apply for posts
available for "externals" (you). The roster will be valid for one
year. |
guest
99
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 11:19 am:
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And there it is! As the Italians like to think, better
late than never! Bye bye and ciao! |
James
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 11:23 am:
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To the nice person from HCR
If you are indeed
from HCR, I am sure that all the IPR applicants
worldwide(especially those who do not use this forum) would
appreciate it if you would post the above information on your
website.
Just a thought.... |
Mat
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 03:16 pm:
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To the person from HCR:
If this is true, why - as
suggested above - don't UNHCR posts a
message on its own website to tell evryone who took the test that
the results won't be before early July and that the compendium will
be issued only in September or October ? Why ? Why ? Why ?
Thaks
in advance if you could give a clue to all of us. Why telling us on
this forum ? I must say that I don't think that you are from HCR.
To Nichole:
You say you sent applications to numerous
NGOs around the wolrld. Fine. Do you have French (written &
spoken) as a second language ? Because there are numerous NGOs
looking for French speaking & writing
people. |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 07:02 pm:
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To Mat:
I speak French and have a few years of
experience. However, I was (like Nichole) not so lucky with my
applications to NGOs working on refugees issues. I would therefore
appreciate if you could give us a few names of NGOs which are
looking for French speaking and writing people... Thanks.
To
the person from UNHCR:
Thanks for these news. However, I do not understand why some
people included in the roster will not be invited to apply for posts
available for externals. Could you explain?
Thanks. |
anonymous from HCR
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 07:09 pm:
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James, sorry I cannot, I am not in a position to do that,
although I perfectly understand and sympathise with your and the
others' concern. And I cannot influence the management's decisions
either.
Mat, sorry, I don't know - don't ask me.
I
cannot say more than I did. This is all I can tell you. Good luck
everyone. |
anonymous from HCR
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 07:34 pm:
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Denise, usually more people are retained in the roster
than the number of vacancies open/available for the externals (you
guys are considered externals). It's a simple math. Almost everyone
retained will be invited to apply, but obviously not everyone will
be employed. |
anonymous from HCR
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 07:43 pm:
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Mat, seeing all this nervousness and uncertainty in the
forum, I sent the information to help you guys. Obviously, I am not
going to prove you that I work for HCR. The rest is up to you.
I cannot write more here. This is all I could write.
Good bye everyone! |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 07:50 pm:
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Thanks, Anonymous! It's indeed very helpful.
Yet,
guys, if anyone hears from UNHCR before end
of June, please let us know and post the info here.
I am off
till mid June ![:-)]()
Ved
p.s. In
the meantime, please don't load this forum with irrelevant crap.
Only the postings related to the topic. |
anonymous from HCR
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 07:54 pm:
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Sorry, my first message meant to be read that everyone
retained in IPR will be
invited to apply, but not everyone will be eventually offered posts.
There still will be a small competition in the roster. This is how
it is. |
guest
36
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 08:13 pm:
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To the HCR good samaritan
If you are for real,
many thanks. It is a crying shame (and extraordinarily
unprofessional and untransparent) that HCR cannot get its act
together enough to post such basic information on its website for
all 800 applicants.
It means that I can now go ahead and
accept other NGO job offers for refugee work I have received. If I
had remained under the impression that a job might be offered to
successful applicants in the next month or two, I might have
waited... |
Bob
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 09:33 am:
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Guest 36 is completely right. If this timetable is
correct, HCR should be ashamed of itself. |
Mat
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 07:03 pm:
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To Denise:
There are indeed quite a great number
of NGOs which are looking from French speakers and writers. Just
have a GOOD look on internet and you will find them. I DO assure you
there are some. And sorry, but I cannot tell you which ones as we
are all looking for a job in the field.
To guest 36:
I'm
gonna do like you and accept the offer made to me by an NGO. I do
not wish to wait for the UNHCR's results
anymore. |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 01:25 pm:
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Dear Mat,
If you have an offer, is it not a
little selfish to not give names of ngo's that are currently
hiring...???
I believe we all have similar but also
different competencies and as the web is open to all, why not share
as much information.
My point of view only and apologies
that it is not IPR only
related.
In the meantime and for those searching:
http://www.worldvision.org.uk/jobs
http://www.concern.ie/
are two ngo's on
the lookout at all times.
Best of luck to
all |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 01:52 pm:
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Thank you. Also good luck to all of
you. |
Mat
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 03:31 pm:
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Here are two French NGOs who are looking for both French
& English speakers and writers.
http://www.cam-fr.org/
http://www.premiere-urgence.org/
Wishing
you good luck. |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 08:42 am:
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Thanks Mat. |
Mat
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 12:30 pm:
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To Denise:
Thanks to tell me if you ever get an
interview with a French NGO. It will mean they are really on the
lookout for English and French speakers. |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:14 pm:
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Ok. I will let you know if I am
successful. |
guest
62
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 07:44 pm:
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I too can't have the luxury of waiting forever until UNHCR sends us
the results (which I doubt it ever will). Apparently, they forgot
about us at all, especially as the summer vacations are approaching.
Good bye guys. Hopeless to wait ![:-(]() |
Mat
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 08:02 pm:
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To Denise:
You also have "Action contre la Faim"
http://www.acf-fr.org/
and "M cins sans
fronti s" et "Terre des hommes" (ONG
suisse). |
Guest from Rome
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 12:29 pm:
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Hi guys, any one can help and mention some NGOs who are
looking for English/Arabic speakers?
I also don't think I can
wait for the IPR test results
anymore.. and I need to find a job soon.
cheers.. |
impatient guest
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 12:53 pm:
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Guys! This is just the reminder to everyone who reads the
postings in this forum: whoever first gets the response from UNHCR, please
notify all of us here. Please be generous and share as much info as
possible.
By the way, the above doesn't imply that the
second, third, fourth, etc., person who gets the reply doesn't have
to notify us as well. Guys, let's be friendly and let everyone know
- without mentioning your real names and specific details. At least,
people here will know for sure that the results are available and
those who did not hear anything back from UNHCR should not
wait anymore. Uncertainty is worse than the negative outcome.
Thanks for cooperation. |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 02:30 pm:
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Ok Nichole |
Mat
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 08:45 pm:
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To guest from Rome:
Sorry, I don't know any NGO
looking for English and Arabic speakers. I cannot help for that. I'm
sure you can find that somewhere on
Internet. |
guest
1
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 04:33 pm:
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MSF Project Coordinators
MSF-UK recruiting for
MSF-Holland
http://www.uk2.msf.org/working4us/Fieldvolunteers/ApplicationForms/ProjectCoordinators.htm |
Nan
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 09:28 am:
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To "anonymous from HCR":
Is it true that, as
written in the "International professional Roster" presentation last
November, UNHCR will give
priority to women as well as to Arabic/French speakers ? I'm asking
because one can read on the UN and agencies' websites that women are
given priority in order to maintain the gender parity.
Thank you
very much if you could confirm this info. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 11:45 pm:
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Women - yes. Arabic-French speakers, hmmmm... This is the
first time that I hear about it. Am I the only one out here?
Nan, where exactly was it written? |
Nan
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 09:46 am:
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To "anonymous from HCR":
Please, if you read the
message above from Nan, would you be kind enough to answer it ?
To Ved:
It is mentioned in the infos published last
November to inform people about the next IPR test (the
one we took in April). It says: "Qualified applicants with a
demonstrated working knowledge of two or more UN languages,
especially FRENCH and ARABIC, will be given priority".
And
further down, one can read: "Every effort to maintain gender parity
will be made. Therefore, women are encouraged to
apply". |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 01:07 pm:
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then it is the right time to change the sex ![:-(]() |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 02:36 pm:
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To Guest from Rome
Look also at:
http://www.nrc.no/NRC/beredskap/normideast/recruitment2005.htm |
Guest
19
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 09:19 am:
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So in a few words, if you are a woman speaking and
writing English, French and Arabic, you're a lucky one for a job
with the UNHCR... |
Maria [former John]
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 10:13 am:
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and if you are not, you should urgently take appropirate
measures to remove these disadvantages. |
Associate Plastic
Surgeon from UNHCR
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 10:41 am:
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Kindly note that you are strongly encouraged to take
"appropriate measures" before the next IPR invitation
on 1st October 2005. Be courageous and make up your mind ASAP! |
Guest
19
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 12:03 pm:
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Who said there were no ads on the web for English and
Arabic speakers ? Here is one !
Job Title : Health
Coordinator
Organisation : International Rescue
Committee (http://www.theirc.org/)
Organisation
Description : NGO
Job Location : Chad (Bahai)
Closing date : 31 Jul 2005
Job Description and
qualifications:
RESPONSIBILITIES: Plan and
coordinate all interventions related to Public and Clinical Health;
Supervise expatriate staff who are specialized in Public Health,
Clinical Health, and Nutrition (a fourth expatriate position for
supervising a Secondary Health Care program is under consideration);
Work with IRC, UN, and other agency support mechanisms to ensure
continuous supply of medicines, feeding program supplies, etc. (IRC
also works with AmeriCares for the supply of drugs and materials);
Assess early warning indicators and rate of influx. Track mortality,
morbidity and cumulative health statistics relevant to IRC programs;
Represent IRC to UN, international and national NGOs, and Ministries
of Health conducting health programs to ensure most appropriate
program decisions and culturally appropriate activities; With senior
management, design, implement, and monitor programs; Conduct health
assessments as they relate to other sectors (i.e. Environmental
Health: the prevalence of water borne diseases); Provide weekly
situation reports on emerging health indicators as listed above;
Ensure the training and supervision of local Community Health
Workers (CHWs) in child survival, hygiene promotion, and other
health programs; With local health officials, develop ways to
support local health centers by ensuring drug and vaccine supply for
both refugee and the local communities, training of health workers,
etc.; Oversee vaccination campaigns as necessary in coordination
with other agencies; Assist local health officials to be able to in
detect and respond to epidemic outbreaks (meningitis, malaria,
cholera); Conduct needs assessments. Define program direction and
initiate project proposal submissions.
Requirements: Nurse,
Nurse Practitioner, or Medical Doctor; At least two years experience
in implementing and managing health programs in emergency or refugee
scenarios; Experience in several different aspects of health care
(feeding programs, vaccination campaigns, staff training and
mentoring, etc.); Experience supervising staff in an international
setting; Excellent communication skills and flexibility. Able to
work under pressure in a difficult environment; Proficiency in
English as well as French and/or Arabic.
The IRC requests
that all applications be completed on line at http://www.ircjobs.org/. Please note that IRC does
not set closing dates/deadline dates for applications; recruitment
is ongoing until the position is filled. The IRC reviews all
applications and you will be contacted directly if you are selected
as a candidate.
Applications for this position
should be sent to:
please apply online at http://www.ircjobs.org/ |
Helen
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 01:19 pm:
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Come on, guest 19, there are plenty of such announcements
on the web, but they never reply ![:-(]() That
is the problem. It is hopeless to apply. |
Guest
19
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 07:34 pm:
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To Helen:
And you think you have more chances
with UNHCR
??? Unfortunately, the statistics are the same... Of course, NGOs
need people. Who do you think they are working with ? Ghosts ? |
Ricardo
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 07:51 pm:
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"Candidates who pass the test will be informed by the
Recruitment and Postings Sections about one month after the test and
their names will be included on the IPR."
Indeed, the month has expired... and we have still heard
from nothing. Ah, ah, ah ! I'm even sure we'll never hear from UNHCR anymore.
The test was just a joke. |
Bugs
Bunny
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 03:43 am:
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I suggest Tweety and Sylvester to give it a shot for the
next IPR,
where the candidates seem to be all Looney Tunes !
Here's an
excerpt from my biography:
"No character -- much less a rabbit
-- has captured the American moviegoer's imagination as thoroughly
and uproariously as Bugs Bunny. And no character has dominated the
medium of animation for as long as the unabashedly bold Brooklyn
bunny.
Bugs Bunny is arguably the most popular and
recognizable cartoon character of all time. In a classic role and
true to his smart-aleck, self-confident nature, Bugs, rather than
flee from a stalking hunter (the ubiquitous Elmer Fudd), faced him
down with a disarming, unimpressed "Ehh, what's up, doc?".
Bugs' well-known personality was given depth and dimension
from nearly every director at Warner Bros. cartoons. And his
Brooklyn-Bronx accent, voiced by actor Mel Blanc, combined with his
quick wit, brash resourcefulness, and boisterous independence, gave
him the street credentials that have delighted three generations of
devoted audiences. Knightly Knight Bugs No 1, in which the "wascally
wabbit" stars, won an Academy Award. In addition, Bugs has appeared
in full-length motion pictures, over 175 animated shorts and several
prime time specials. So how has this rabbit managed to win the
hearts of virtually every age of movie fan around the world? Simple.
The gregarious but truly lovable Bugs Bunny always wins, no matter
who he's battling, and no matter what the situation. No bully is too
big, no hypocrite safe, no pompous adversary so powerful, that Bugs
can't joyfully whittle him down to kindling wood.
"Character
cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired,
and success achieved." - Helen Keller
"I am only one; but still
I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I
will not refuse to do something I can do." -Helen
Keller |
Arthur
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 09:47 am:
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Hi everybody,
Is there someone out there who took
and PASSED the "2004 IPR entry test"
and could tell us a bit more on "how its works after" ? How long
time did you wait for the results to be published ? When did you
receive an offer ? How many interviews did you take ? When did you
learn you received a proper offer ? How long time after did you sign
a contract ? When did you leave for real in the field ?
Thanks a
lot. |
Daniela
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 10:01 am:
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Arthur, I am afraid not even 10% of those who took this
year's IPR
test visit this forum, let alone the one's of 2004. Yet, if there is
indeed someone from last year reading these postings, would be nice
to hear your feedback.
Daniela |
DC
Guest
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 06:12 pm:
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Hi All,
I just received a message from UNHCR indicating
that I passed and will be placed on the roster. Good luck to you
all. |
WOW!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 06:17 pm:
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Guys, just a few minutes ago I received the answer!!! (I
knew that I would fail this PROGRAMME section)
-----------------------------------
Dear [name
ommitted],
Thank you for taking part in the UNHCR Entry Exam
for the International Professional Roster (IPR), that took
place on 28 April 2005.
We are very pleased to inform you
that you have been successful and that your name will be retained on
the IPR, for
an initial period of one year, as a potential candidate for a UNHCR
assignment.
To help you better understand your results,
please note that after analysis of all the results, a score of 50%
has been established as the passing score.
Average scores
for the different parts were as follows:
I. Analytical
Skills: 8.22 out of 15
II. Ethical/Professional Conduct: 8.98
out of 22
III A. Programme Case Study: 5.11 out of 13
III B.
Protection Case Study: 4.53 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 19.4 out of 54
Your results are:
I. Analytical Skills: 8 out of 15
II.
Ethical/Professional Conduct: 17 out of 22
III A. Programme Case
Study: 0 out of 13
III B. Protection Case Study: 8 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 25 out of 54
TOTAL: 59%
Please be
informed that you will be receiving a message indicating your
personal grade for recruitment purposes. We will also be sending you
vacant posts in UNHCR for which
you are invited to express your interest. Please note that you
should express interest for posts at your grade or one grade below.
Once again, congratulations and thank you for expressing
interest in working for UNHCR.
Good luck and best regards.
[V.M. - full name
ommitted]
Head, Recruitment Unit
UNHCR |
WOW!!!
Guest
|
| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 06:21 pm:
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Sorry, I forgot to add: good luck to you guys! Wishing
you all the best!
DC Guest, please email me at pgarayeva@yahoo.com I need to
ask you smth.
thanks |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 06:59 pm:
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I received also a similar answer. My total was 58%. Good
luck to all. |
Guest
2000
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 07:08 pm:
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To WOW Gest:
First of all, congratulations!!!!
And now I would like to ask you something technical: could you
say what did you answer to question III, as you got 8 out of 8, so
you really knew what you were talking
about!!! |
WOW!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 07:11 pm:
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Guest 200, could you remind me what the questions were
about? Was it about the case with the unrest in the refugee camp and
the older people who accused two women of being witches and stoned
her? Was it that case?
Thanks for congratulations |
Gest
2000
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 07:28 pm:
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Yes, that was it... Because you did not answered to the
other one at all, I mean, the one about strategy to organise
logistics for returnees, right??? |
WOW
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 09:44 pm:
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Yes, we were supposed to choose one of the case studies.
In the beginning, I was thinking of selecting the first case study
because it gave more points. But then I realized that I won't make
it. It was too complicated and time consuming. I realized that I
would be stuck there.
So, I chose the case study about the
unrest in the refugee camp. The question was "What would you do if
you were the field officer?" I answered smth like "I would
immediately get in touch with the liasion person in the government
and ask him/her to arrive to the camp. I would ask my staff to be on
the highest alert and wait for emergency instructions. I would
assign one of the staff members to report to Geneva about the
incident and keep the constant communication with the center. I
would call the local administration to refrain from the use of force
against the refugees and to launch an open, transparent and fair
investigation of the incident. I would assign several team members
to be in the camp, record all cases of human rights violations, and
continue providing protection to refugees, especially to women,
children, elderly and sick people." Of course, this is all
simplistic. During the test, I wrote in a better academic style. It
was written in a different format, but these were the actions.I
don't remember in details what I wrote, but this is generally the
bottomline of the actions I pointed out. |
chris
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 09:34 am:
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Dear all,
I also got a positive message
yesterday, my passing rate was 59% and I scored most of the points
(34) in the fourth part which leaves me satisifed at least for the
effort spent on the reading materials.
Good luck to
everyone! |
Nan
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 10:27 am:
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Lucky you are all of you. I received a "fail" answer. But
i'm not surprised as I knew I had failed. Wish you all the best of
luck. The first of you who gets an offer ; please tell the others.
Take care. |
buba
Guest
|
| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 12:11 pm:
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Nan, I didn't receive anything at all. WOW posted here
the wording of the "passing" letter. Could you post the wording of
the "fail" letter as well [without the mentioning of the names of
course]? No reply came to me at all ![:-(]()
Buba |
fail letter
Guest
|
| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 02:52 pm:
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Dear [name omitted],
Thank you for taking part in
the UNHCR
Entry Exam for the International Professional Roster (IPR), that took
place on 28 April 2005.
Further to the entry test results,
we regret to inform you that you have not reached the minimum
required points in order to be retained on the IPR at this
stage.
Your results are:
I. Analytical Skills:
11.5 out of 15
II. Ethical/Professional Conduct: 6 out of 22
III A. Programme Case Study: 6 out of 13
III B. Protection
Case Study: 0 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 26 out of 54
Total%: 48 %
Kindly note
that only candidates scoring 50 and above are being retained on the
IPR at this
time.
Should you wish to reapply, we encourage you to
regularly check UNHCR website
for information relating to the next IPR invitation.
Thank you and best regards.
V.M. [name omitted]
Head, Recruitment Unit
UNHCR |
OLE
OLE
Guest
|
| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 07:47 pm:
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Hello!
I have just read my mail.
I also got a
pass, with 64% score.
I am so so happy!!!!!
I wish luck to
all of you!! |
vasya
Guest
|
| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 08:05 pm:
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OLE-OLE, that's a great score.
Congrats! |
Fatima
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 08:42 pm:
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Hello,
I've also just gotten the email telling me I'd
passed. Quite happy since I thought I had failed...
Results
below, I've also included the Global average score.
But I don't
understand why we were graded on BOTH case studies, since they
clearly asked us to choose one or the other...
Good luck to
everyone, hopefully we'll meet each other out on the field!!
F.
My results
I. Analytical Skills: 10.5 out of 15
II.
Ethical/Professional Conduct: 17.5 out of 22
IIIA. Programme
Case Study: 8.5 out of 13
IIIB. Protection Case Study: 0 out of
8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 20.5 out of 54
Total %: 55 %
- Global Average
scores (all participants)
o I. Analytical Skills: 8.22 out of 15
o II. Ethical/Professional Conduct: 8.98 out of 22
o IIIA.
Programme Case Study: 5.11 out of 13
o IIIB. Protection Case
Study: 4.53 out of 8
o IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 19.4 out of 54 |
Guest
Guest
|
| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 10:02 pm:
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Ole-Ole 64%
WOW 59%
Chris 59%
Denise 58%
Fatima 55% |
guest
666
Guest
|
| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 10:07 pm:
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Fatima, you are graded on ONE case study - III A. You did
not select III B, that's why it is 0. This zero doesn't decrease
your score (doesn't penalize, I suppose).
OLE, Chris and
Denise: could you post your scores too. Just want to figure out how
they calculate.
Thanks. |
Nan
Guest
|
| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 08:49 am:
|
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Hello the "lucky ones",
Would you be kind enough
to tell the others if you had previously worked in the field for
NGOs, in Africa or in Asia ? Because you all seem to have high
scores, and I have the feeling that - for some questions - only
people who had worked in the field could know the answer. Am I right
? Or maybe you're already working for other UN agencies ? Thank you
to tell us.
I'm happy for you "high rankers". I'm a bit
disappointed as I obtained 47.8%...
Take
care. |
Denise
Guest
|
| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 09:24 am:
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To guest 666:
These are my results:
I.
Analytical Skills: 9.5 out of 15
II. Ethical/Professional
Conduct: 12.5 out of 22
IIIA. Programme Case Study: 7 out of 13
IIIB. Protection Case Study: 0 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 31.5 out of 54
Total %: 58 %
To Nan:
Yes, I worked in the field before in the Middle East.
However, I don't think that it helped much to answer the
questions... I would account more on my academic background and the
fact that I studied a lot for the test (although obviously less than
Ole-Ole).
I know it is frustrating to be so close from the
50% passing score, but don't give up. There are other opportunities
(including the next invitation to the roster) and as you know, most
of the people included in the UNHCR roster
will not even get a contract this year! |
Nan
Guest
|
| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 09:55 am:
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I do not know if I will take the test next year.
Please, let us know if you ever get a job in the field with the
HCR and tell us (anonymously of course) how the selection worked.
Because, yes, you're now in the roster but we all know that not
everyone will get a job.
I'm curious to know the percentage of
people who passed the test. I believe we were about 750 around the
world taking the test.
I'm also curious to know the percentage
of people included in the roster who will, for real, go and work in
the field.
If anyone has a clue.
Read you
later. |
IPR 2006
candidate
Guest
|
| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 10:06 am:
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Congratulations to everyone who made it this time! I
would be keenly interested in keeping updated about your fielding
process.
Ole Ole, Denis, Wow & others: If possible,
could you please kindly share your academic and professional
background?
Was it your first time to take the IPR, and how
long had you prepared for the test? What kind of advice would you
give to those who are preparing for the next IPR? (I would
very much appreciate your "How to prepare IPR test" tips,
especially for the CASE STUDIES.)
P.S. have the same
question as Nan.Does anyone have the information on how many people
were included to the roster this time?
Nan: You were really
close and you would definitely have a good chance next year, if you
wish to re-take it. Most importantly, you are a "chosen woman with
French and Arabic skills" |
Denise
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 10:11 am:
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Nan I have never worked for the HCR before and do not
have personal connexions there.
I would like also to know
how many persons are in the roster and have an idea about the number
of vacancies we will be invited to apply, but... We'll see. |
Nan
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 10:14 am:
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To IPR 2006
candidate:
Why are you saying I'm "a chosen woman with
French and Arabic skills" ?
I could be a guy as "Nan" is neither
a feminine or a masculine noun. And I don't speak Arabic at all.
French, yes.
My score is not so bad for a French speaker but but
not good enough and that's a real shame. |
Guest from Rome
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 12:26 pm:
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well I am Arabic, English and Italian speaker and yes a
woman as well.. but that didn't help me in passing the IPR test
though.. lucky me!!
Anyway, congrats. for all who passed the
test, let us know when you actually score a job as well with the UNHCR.. cheers.. |
IPR 2015
candidate
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 01:22 pm:
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Nan: Please excuse my lack of "ESP skills?on your gender.
Based on your earlier questions on UNHCR's
gender/language preference policy, I just assumed that you may be a
woman with those languages. Well, we can never guess these days
who's what, though.
Use the talents you possess-- if
only the best birds sang , the woods would be silent.??Unknown
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently.? |
Ordinary bird IPR 2006
candidate
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 01:27 pm:
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Re-posting the quotes. . .am speaking for myself. . .
"Use the talents you possess -- if only the best birds sang,
the woods would be silent." Unknown
"Failure is the
opportunity to begin again more
intelligently." |
Fatima
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 07:12 pm:
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to guest 666: thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't sure
if we were penalised or not, especially after seeing that one of the
other candidates had answered to both, and got points for both..
To Nan: No, I've never worked for the UNHCR or any
other NGO in the field. I have worked for a UN agency, but it was a
purely administrative job, no travel.
I won't go as far as to
say that past experience in the field doesn't affect results, but I
do believe that those WITHOUT experience had just as much chance of
passing as those with.
As for preparation, I just read as
much as I could from the material suggested (I got through 90% I
think), but I think what helped me most was reading the newsletter
"Refugee". You had clear examples of what UNHCR has
done/is doing.
Hope this helps those who are planning on taking
the test next year.
For those who passed, this is just the
beginning. Now come the competitive selections for the different
posts.
So good luck to all!
F. |
lamiya
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 08:42 pm:
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To Nan and IPR-2006: I
think no one can give you the statistics about the percentage of
"passed" people and the percentage of those who will eventually get
the contract. No one knows. Except for the ever-silent recruiters,
of course.
I have never worked in the field before, never
worked with an NGO or any UN agency. I am a total outsider. I took a
UN competitive examination in 2001 though, but I guess I failed it
as no reply came ever since. It was different from this UNHCR IPR - there were
no study materials recommended that time.
With this UNHCR IPR, I just
studied hard the suggested materials. I think it was enough and it
covered 95% of what we were asked at the test. You just have to read
it and re-read, then revise again, learn it by heart. Try to
memorise many things, even irrelevant and minor details. During the
test you suddenly realize that you can use these details in the
essay-writing. Work experience didn't matter this time at all. I am
the living example. Just study the materials.
By the way,
you are in a more advantageous position now compare to those who are
still yet to apply for the next IPR - you have
the materials and you have the whole summer to study it. So, no time
deficit this time. Believe me, if you read 3-4 times what has been
recommended, you will be able to answer to all questions. Everything
was there, except for this "interdiction" thing. It was indeed
missing in the readings ![:-(]()
Also,
academic background helped me a lot - I was taught how to write
academic-style essays when you don't really know the answer... Nan,
to answer your question, my background is 1) World History and 2)
International Relations.
Nan, indeed, your knowledge of
French is very important. Some positions specifically require the
knowledge of French. Something that I don't have ![:-(]()
Fatima, are you absolutely sure that those who
answered both A and B case studies were granted more points? While I
am sure this could be fair, on the other hand I think this could
have been at least announced beforehand, so that people at least
knew about this extra point option.
Those who passed: are we
now supposed to wait for the message where we are told which grade
we are assigned for? P2, P3 or P4. Right? And then there will be
real positions for which we will be invited to apply, right? The
anonymous from HCR told us that the Compendium will be released some
time in September, while in the first announcement it was written
that those who passed should be ready to take up their first
assignment in July:
11. Applicants to the Roster, if
selected for a post, must be prepared to take up their assignments
as from July 2005. However, United Nations Volunteers and others
with current assignments with UNHCR are
expected to first complete those assignments.
Another
interesting piece:
Applicants to the roster, if selected
for a post, must be prepared to take up their assignments within 4
to 6 months after the Entry Test. Applicants for the IPR must be
prepared to serve on posts in field locations, especially in
category D and E (hardship and/or non-family) duty stations, for an
initial period of two years. Preferably, the first appointment
should be outside the continent of the candidate s nationality. All
UNHCR
international professional staff members are required to rotate. |
Nan
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 09:10 am:
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To all nice people:
Thanks for your encouragements.
It's right that now I've got time to read, read & re-read the
literature. I will think about it and I'll see if I take it next
year or not. Unless I find a job before thru an NGO before. Because,
it's right that some NGOs are looking, indeed, for French speakers
& writers.
I wish you all the best of luck for the coming
weeks as the competition is not over.
Take
care. |
Guest from Rome
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 11:32 am:
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Hi guys, so now does anyone know how to take the exam
again if I didn't pass the first time? will I have to apply again,
or what?
If you know, please let me know. I think I will study
harder next time, last time I just went through the materials like a
light reading before bed!! So maybe I will have a better chance..
eventhough I know I won't get a job from the UNHCR anyway,
but it is just the part of getting through the first step is what I
want now..
cheers |
guest
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 11:42 am:
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Another pass - I got 55%. So looks like people getting 60
are doing well! |
Deb
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:42 pm:
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Hi all, well done to those who passed, I failed but think
I will try again. Can I ask those people who managed to read all the
material and read it more than once whether you have jobs? I have a
full time job and managed to put aside two hours every day to read
the material but only got through it once.
I also did not
see how the reading assisted with the final part of the test, the
specific knowledge part. I was interested to read that the 'refugee'
magazine assisted one of the candidates that passed, did any of the
others find that useful? |
Deb
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:50 pm:
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They must have had a lot of complaints about the choice
of the two case studies. I wrote to them and asked them for feedback
about how I had done so badly in the final part and got a standard
message explaining how they scored the choice questions. I wrote
back and thanked them but pointed out I hadn't asked them about that
and the reply was the exact same email! |
OLE
OLE
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:52 pm:
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Hello everyone!!!
I have included my complete score
so you can compare and draw conclussions.
I must say I have some
experience on the field, in Vietnam, and I must also say I did
study, A LOT, for this test. Even though there was nothing in the
reading material about interdict ( I made something up, something I
do not remember any more) the rest of the questions for Part IV was
in these readings.
I have now a question for all those lucky
ones:
What is what they call our grade level??? Any idea how now
the process will continue???
As prommised, the score:
To
help you better understand your results, please note that:
-
After analysis of all the results, a score of 50% has been
established as the passing score;
- Average scores for the
different parts were as follows
o I. Analytical Skills: 8.22 out
of 15
o II. Ethical/Professional Conduct: 8.98 out of 22
o
IIIA. Programme Case Study: 5.11 out of 13
o IIIB. Protection
Case Study: 4.53 out of 8
o IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 19.4 out of 54
Your results are:
I.
Analytical Skills: 10.5 out of 15
II. Ethical/Professional
Conduct: 18.5 out of 22
IIIA. Programme Case Study: 0 out of 13
IIIB. Protection Case Study: 6 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 28.5 out of 54
Total %: 64 % |
ved
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 09:46 pm:
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Deb, yes. I have two crazy full-time jobs, but I studied
the materials quite hard. I took a week-off before the test and I
slept only 6 hours a day for the last 2 months before the test. I
re-read the stuff for 5 times! I started to read the materials from
the very first day when we got the email.
But to do well, I
will share with you one secret: you need to ENJOY what you are
reading. I did enjoy it. That's the secret ![:-)]() |
ved
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 09:53 pm:
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OLE, by grade they mean they will tell you who you are:
P2, P3 or, exceptionally, P4.
7. Candidates must have
a minimum number of years of relevant professional work experience,
preferably in the international context, in their area of
qualification. Relevant professional work experience will be based
on the period the applicant has worked in the area of his or her
preferred functional profile. All candidates will be graded based on
the following standard recruitment criteria:
P 2: University
degree plus 4 years of relevant professional work experience; or
Advanced University degree plus 2 years of relevant professional
work experience.
P 3: University degree plus 8 years of relevant
professional work experience; or Advanced University degree plus 6
years of relevant professional work experience.
P 4: University
degree plus 12 years of relevant professional work experience; or
Advanced University degree plus 10 years of relevant professional
work experience.
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chris
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:17 pm:
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I also copy my results:
I. Analytical Skills:
10.5 out of 15
II. Ethical/Professional Conduct: 7 out of 22
IIIA. Programme Case Study: 5 out of 13
IIIB. Protection
Case Study: 0 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 38.5 out of 54
Total %: 59 %
I have to
confirm what the others already said.Although I have been in the
refugee business for five years (not with UNHCR) I found
that an extensive study of the reading materials was the only reason
why I passed the test. I relied a bit on my professional experience
and common sense especially in the section on the code of conduct
but to be honest it didn't help me that much.
I studied quite
hard and took three days of leave before the exam. I also read other
documents (such as training kits etc) not in the original reading
list which I found in the refworld CD-roms published by UNHCR. In
addition I gave a look at one manual of refugee law (Goodwin Gill)
which was my companion during my academic
studies. |
lamiya
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:24 pm:
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OLE, you are the champion so far ![:-)]() |
wow
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:43 pm:
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Beyond the suggested materials, I obtained the thick
reader for the LLM course in "Asylum and Refugee Law" taught at our
Law School. Although I am not a lawyer and I don't have any legal
background/degree, I must note it was very interesting to read and
quite understandable for the outsider like myself. I learned a LOT
from the reader. It was not strictly legal-oriented. Everyone who
more or less reads English irrespective of his/her academic
background could understand it. It wasn't a rocket science at all.
So, this reader also helped me a lot.
Other than that, I
read a lot of cases, which are on the net. I can send them to you, I
have them all in a PDF file, I saved them on my PC. But they didn't
help me this time. I think they will be helpful when you start the
practical work, but not during the preparation for the test.
Chris, I think if you have chosen case study B in section
III, you could have scored higher. It was easier. I started doing A
too, but then I switched to B. The result was 8 out of 8. If I
stayed with A, I would have definitely failed. It was this 8 out of
8 that saved me, thank God! So, I switched before it was too late.
I think you would have scored higher too had you chosen B.
But I think the percentage doesn't matter as long as one passes in
principle. This is what I was told by those who took the test last
year.
By the way guys, did you know that the last IPR test was
"take-home" and obviously "open book"? This is what someone who took
it last time told me today. He said this year it was psychologically
harder (because of taking the test in the UNHCR center),
but last time the questions were much more horrible and confusing... |
guest
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 11:11 pm:
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Interesting piece:
16. The next main posting
session will take place in June 2005, and UNHCR will
contact only those appointed. Roster candidates who are not
appointed to posts will remain on the Roster for one year, but may
be contacted to gauge their interest in particular posts or short
term assignments.
Does it mean the appointments will be
sent to some of the "pass" guys quite soon? |
Denise
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 07:15 am:
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I have also a full time job, but studied the reading
materials every day for five weeks (including the weekends), in
taking notes about what I was reading. I also took 3 days off before
the exam to review everything.
I should say also (like ved)
that I enjoyed reading and learning more about UNHCR's
activities. |
chris
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 08:08 am:
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Wow
I agree I could have definetely scored higher but
as you say I don't think that the percentage matters much once you
pass (although I am not sure). Nevertheless I would have certainly
changed the topic if we were given more time once I started I was
already too involved in the case and could not switch any longer. |
Deb
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 09:44 am:
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Thanks for the feedback on how you managed to pass. I
think I just didn't study hard enough, I am an immigration lawyer in
the UK and thought i could rely on my knowledge to easily pass the
specific knowledge part, in the end that was my problem because the
questions did not relate to my day to day practice in the slightest.
By the way, what is interdictment (sorry if this has already been
said but I m coming late to the forum and couldn't see anything!).
Can I also ask whether anyone taking and passing the test this
year also took it last year? |
Amid
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:57 am:
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To WOW:
You say that you spoke to people who took
the test last year. But did they only take it or did they also PASS
? Because, if these persons passed, they could tell more about how
it works after. Are these people now working in the field or are
they still waiting in the roster ?
Thanks for your answer. |
Guest25
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:56 am:
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congratulations to those who have passed. I would be glad
if anyone who had a good result in the programme case study could
share what they wrote there? I was a little surprised with this case
study being about assessment, which was not very well covered in the
reading material - or was it?
thanks for
answering!! |
wow
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:38 pm:
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Amid, the lady who took the test last time couldn't pass.
She re-took the test now and passed it.
Deb: interdiction
means the prohibition of entering the state (or landing) if/when you
have no proper travel document. This practice is not welcomed by HCR
as there can be refugees seeking protection with no passports. E.g.,
Serbian police taking away passports from Kosovo Albanians before
kicking them out of former Yugoslavia towards Albania, Greece and
Macedonia.
I didn't know about this inderdiction thing, and
perhaps this was the only question I couldn't answer. Interdiction
was not covered in the reading materials. I checked it carefully -
it was nowhere. If anyone found it, please provide the reference to
the exact article and page.
This is what I found on the web:
Interdiction or interception of persons, including
refugees, trying to enter a territory is a growing practice. While
every state has the sovereign responsibility to protect its own
population as wall as its borders from abuse, interdiction policies
which preclude access to effective protection systems for self
serving reasons and in the absence of adequate judicial safeguards
cannot be regarded as compatible with international obligations. A
ruling of the US Supreme Court in 1993 which upheld the validity of
the US interdiction policy of Haitian boat people has set a most
unfortunate precedent. The Court held that the US' obligations under
the 1967 Protocol to the Refugee Convention were not engaged as long
as an asylum-seeker remained on the High Seas and had not entered
the territory of the State - even when it was the US authorities
themselves who had blocked access to the State's territory and
jurisdiction. Interdiction of this sort poses a threat to a
fundamental premise of international refugee protection - that
no-one shall be expelled or returned (refouler) to a place where
his/her life or freedom is at risk.
Also, check this
out:
http://sievx.com/articles/psdp/2003/2003xxxxRefuge-Howard.pdf
http://www.web.net/~iccr/docs/VanKessel-interdict-Sep00.htm |
Farah
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 09:02 am:
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WOW, I am glad you did great on that test.. I am thinking
to re take the test again (I failed).. But can you share with us how
did you solve the case study B? I remember I chose to wake up the
governor, etc. but scored 4.. As you scored 8, please let me know
what you wrote (if possible)..
Reading all what you guys
wrote, I think I should have taken some days off and studied
harder.. I just skipped through the material as I thought it will
not ask for specific information (esp. that I applied to
Administration job).. But guess what? I was wrong, should have taken
it more seriously, I think. Anyway, there is always next time.
In the mean time, if someone has an idea if I will need to
reapply for the next roster to take the test (which means it is
subject to initial screening), or I can just reapply for the test,
please let me know.
Thanks and all the very best for all, |
Farah
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 09:15 am:
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One more thing if someone can remember, what was part I.
Analytical Skills about? I remember Ruud Luubers' speech and
identifying 5 examples of inter-agency cooperation.. Was that it?
I am just trying to figure out where did I go wrong as that was
the lowest scores I had..
Thanks
again.. |
guest23
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 11:21 am:
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Farah, I think in order to take the test again you have
to apply to the next IPR invitation
(which according to their website will be issued in October...), and
this would mean going through the whole process again, including
initial screening - at least that's how I understand the process. |
OLE OLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 11:51 am:
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Hello all!!
I can notice that there has been a
geralised absence in this notice board since the release of the
results. Come on, people!! The exchange of info must continue!!!
By the way, any of the lucky ones has received any more mails
from UNHCR??? |
Nan
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 01:57 pm:
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To Ole Ole:
Maybe that most people reading this
forum are those who have failed (like me). So, no much to add
anymore as far as I am concerned as I won't hear anylonger from the
UNHCR.
But if I ever get a job from an NGO somewhere around the world,
I'll let you know. |
wow
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 02:52 pm:
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OLE OLE - no, nothing new came from HCR. We all are
expecting our grades (P2, P3, or maybe even P4...)
Farah - I
answered your question above. I copy and paste again:
The
question was "What would you do if you were the field officer?" I
answered smth like "I would immediately get in touch with the
liasion person in the government and ask him/her to arrive to the
camp. I would ask my staff to be on the highest alert and wait for
emergency instructions. I would assign one of the staff members to
report to Geneva about the incident and keep the constant
communication with the center. I would call the local administration
to refrain from the use of force against the refugees and to launch
an open, transparent and fair investigation of the incident. I would
assign several team members to be in the camp, record all cases of
human rights violations, and continue providing protection to
refugees, especially to women, children, elderly and sick people."
Of course, this is all simplistic. During the test, I wrote in a
better academic style. It was written in a different format, but
these were the actions.I don't remember in details what I wrote, but
this is generally the bottomline of the actions I pointed out. |
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 03:10 pm:
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For those that are interested:
Your (my) results
are:
I. Analytical Skills: 12 out of 15
II.
Ethical/Professional Conduct: 12 out of 22
IIIA. Programme Case
Study: 6 out of 13
IIIB. Protection Case Study: 0 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 30 out of 54
Total %: 58 %
I thought that
most of the questions in the exam requires fairly common sense
answers - I revised quite hard - although I was selective and threw
away about half the required reading as trying to learn it all
verbatim would have been information overload! I have some previous
experience as a UNHCR intern and
UNV (not with UNHCR). Though I
think it was my university studies and general knowledge that got me
through.
I think those that did the protection case study
had a better chance of getting higher scores as fewer points need to
be earned - so each point is worth more as a percentage.
Good luck to all who passed (and even more so to those who
didn't - don't give up your dreams).
To be honest - I am
still quite sceptical about actually getting a post out of all
this...In the meantime I am going to work as a volunteer in Moldova
and will continue to apply for this and
that. |
Farah
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 03:29 pm:
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to Guest 23 and WOW: thanks for your replies..
Will
continue to read on and hope for the best then to be invited again
for the test..
Good luck to all.. |
wow
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 04:24 pm:
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Farah, don't be too pessimistic. Although my scores look
not so bad (I share with Chris the 2nd ranking, after Ole-Ole), I do
not believe that I will get any offer ![:-(]()
For some reason, I think I will be one of those unlucky 'pass' guys
who will not be hired during this year. If it happens (which I am
sure it will, because by nature I am an unlucky person), then there
will be no difference between your situation and mine ![:-)]() Mine will be even worse, because I would be the one
who was given a 'hope' which didn't eventually come true. And this
is much worse.
Believe me, I continue looking for the jobs
elsewhere in NGOs and other organizations. The number of positions
open for external recruitment (i.e. from this roster) will be
miserable! This is what my friends working in HCR are telling me.
Besides, we have had so many testimonies from last years'
pass people whose membership in IPR expired with
no offer. This euphoria about passing the test lasts for a few
months. Then you wake up every morning only to realize that you are
not needed to anyone and you essentially wasted several months for
"waiting", while failed people continued their job-hunting efforts. |
Ordinary bird
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 05:25 pm:
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Guest 4: Thanks for your kind input. If you don't mind,
could you please share a bit more about your academic and
professional background? Within which project/agency did you work as
a UNV? (and how long?) Would you recommend UNV work experience to
the other potential volunteers? Best wishes for your volunteer work
in Moldova!
--------------------------------------------------
Get involved with those
who need your help and your
love.
You may touch their lives.
They will certainly touch
yours!
Occasionally I look at the sky.
Yes, let's look
at the sky from time to time.
Life is always for the future.
Everything CAN be taken from us,
but NOT the last human
freedom
- the freedom to choose our attitude
in any given
set of circumstances,
to choose our own
way! |
OLE OLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 05:51 pm:
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WOW!!!!
Not that I do not believe you, but a bit more
of optimism would not hurt, AH!!!!!! |
Farah
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 07:17 pm:
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Oh WOW, I am not very pessimistic (yet).. I will just go
on with what ever I am doing (which is mainly sending my CV almost
everywhere), and keep on re-reading the material I have and other
stuff till next October.. My education background is actually
English Literature, but I've just started my Law degree, so more
time could be better for me. And though I also believe that it would
be quite difficult to get an actual offer with the UNHCR even if
you ve passed the test, you should not feel down, you did great and
that also matters.. Keep on looking out there, I am sure there will
be a job opportunity for you and keep all options open, if the HCR
came back then that s even better, if not, so what? I am sure you
will find something else. Good luck and all the very best. ![:-)]() |
Denise
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 07:38 pm:
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Wow,
You made me really nervous with your last
message. How many positions you think will be opened for external
recruitment this year? What did your HCR friends told you exactly
about it?
How many people you know whose membership in IPR expired last
year with no offer? How many you know succeded?
I know that
most people in the roster will not get employment with HCR, but are
the chances really "miserable" for us? So why making all these
efforts? |
Nan
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 09:29 am:
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To Wow:
You're saying you're an unlucky person.
Let me doubt. Passing with 58% is not what I would call "unlucky" !
Anyway, you're maybe right. People, like me, who failed will be
going on looking for a job with NGOs, whereas those who passed the
test will certainly be waiting for a proposal from the HCR which may
never come.
So, if you all - really - wish to work in the field,
it would be wise to go on looking everywhere. Who agrees with me ? |
chris
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 11:32 am:
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I think most of the debate is pointless since it was
clearly stated by UNHCR that
entering the roster should not constitute any guarantee for future
employment. Therefore those who passed at the moment have nothing
more concrete than those who failed (apart from the personal
satisfaction of having passed a UN exam which will certainly fade
out with time). |
wow
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 02:54 pm:
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Nan, I totally agree with you. Of course, studying hard
for the test matters a lot, but it is also the matter of luck after
you pass.
Denise, unfortuantely I don't know the exact
statistics. But I was told by my acquaintants working in HCR that
the number of 'pass' guys who got the offer was not overwhelming. I
can't say whether the number was miserable or not (I simply don't
know), but from what people are telling me it is not that
impressive. Of course, there is no guarantee for anyone and it is
too early to get relaxed ![:-(]()
Chris
- you are totally right. Let's hope for the
success. |
Anti-Open Book
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 04:08 pm:
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By the way guys, did you know that the last IPR test was
"take-home" and obviously "open book"? This is what someone who took
it last time told me today. He said this year it was psychologically
harder (because of taking the test in the UNHCR center),
but last time the questions were much more horrible and confusing...
-------------> WOW: ARE YOU SURE THAT IT IS FROM A
RELIABLE SOURCE? (it doesn't matter to me anymore, but just want to
share a correct info in the forum).
As far as what I heard from
one who took the IPR in 2004, it
was not an open book test at all. They were being watched like a
HAWK. |
lorenzo
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 04:37 pm:
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It was open book I even saw an email copied to me by a
friend UNV for UNHCR where the
Head of Human Resources of UNHCR avocated
for a more serious IPR test for
2005 in a more controlled environment than in 2004 when it was
online! I also have a sample test IPR 2004 where
they say please email back your reply by 18.00 Geneva time.
Is
this enough proof? |
wow
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 06:12 pm:
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Dear Anti-Open Book, yes it is from the reliable source.
The person who took the take-home open-book exam is my friend. What
I am not sure though is the year - I can't say for 100% whether she
was talking about 2004 or 2003. But I think she was talking about
the last year.
She described me the whole arrangement about
the test. Of course, there is a slightest chance that she is
confusing something (or maybe I misunderstood it), but I think I got
it right.
Is there anyone out here who took the test last
year? Could anyone confirm it. Now I got also
curious. |
lamiya
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 06:37 pm:
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I have one silly question: if there are strong
mathematicians in this forum, is it possible to calcualte roughly
the percentage of "pass" people by comparing the AVERAGE SCOREs with
the real scores of the 'pass' people?
OK, let me explain. We
have the average scores per section. We also know that 50% is the
minimum passing score (total, not per section). We also have at our
disposal the scores of many pass people. Having all these data, is
it possible to calculate the average grade of an average candidate
and the approximate percentage pass people? |
wow
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 07:07 pm:
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Lamiya, you should count separately for those who chose
case study A and B in section III:
Among those who chose
case study A, the average TOTAL score was 40.1%
The average
TOTAL score of those who chose case study B was a bit higher -
41.55%
If 50% is the minimum passing level, then obviouly
less people passed than failed, unless there were a few guys who
left all questions blank, scored 0% and thereby decreased the class
average...
But it is hard to calculate the percentage of
passed people, I guess. Are there any other
ideas? |
Anti-Open Book
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 03:49 am:
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I didn't mean to stir up any unnecessary confusion and
uncertainty about IPR by bringing
up the test format issue. Now I begin to wonder whether each UNHCR test
center has their "own policy" on test supervision (unless my
acquaintance has an amnesia!).
My epilogue: While I wish I
had met the one who took the exam last year before my IPR test, I
think UNHCR
should make more information on IPR available in
public to maintain a fairer competition among all candidates (Many
thanks to you Jerome G, who kindly initiated this great forum to
share ideas). I do hope UNHCR will
thoughtfully consider in providing more info on public website such
as a SAMPLE TEST and recommended reading materials well before the
test, just like NCRE. "Study smart!" is definitely the best strategy
for this type of test considering the huge amount of reading we have
to cover in such a short time. |
Denise
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 08:40 am:
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Let's say that 800 persons took the test (according to
previous posts we were 750, but I heard 1000 from someone working
for the UNHCR
on that day). Therefore around 400 got less than the average (41%),
and 400 more. From the 400 that got more than 41%, maybe 200 got
more than 50% (or maybe 250 or 300). I would say that in my opinion,
the number of people who succeeded are between 200 and 300.
If there are 50 available positions for us this year, one
person out of 4 or 5 in the roster will get a contract with UNHCR. Does it
seems logical? |
guest
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 09:34 am:
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Well done Denise ! Stop counting and just wait & see.
You DO KNOW that not everyone who passed will work for the HCR in
the coming months. So pray for yourself and stop mourning. |
ved
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 12:29 pm:
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True, guest 23. But let me correct Denise.
Denise, if we inflate the number of persons who took the
test, then we should inflate also the number of available posts. I
was under impression that we were 700.
Besides, I disagree
with the assumption that out of those who scored higher than 41%,
half should be above 50% and the other half between 41% and 50%.
Usually, the concentration is higher around the average point, i.e.
the distribution of people in the scale is not equal. The area
around the average point is always the boldest, and the color fades
away as you depart from 41% in either direction.
Therefore,
I would say 65% of those who scored higher than average 41% could
not reach the passing level. That leaves us with 35% of those who
scored higher than average and consequently 17.5% from the total
number of people taking the test. My assumption is that less than
1/5 of people passed the test, if we round the numbers against our
favor.
If we consider that 750 people took the test, then
150 passed it. And if we consider that 50 posts will be available
then every third out of 150 will be hired. Please note that this is
true only if the number of the test takers is indeed 700-800
and if the number of available posts is 50. But no one can confirm
it.
I hope Lamiya you are satisfied now ![:-)]()
Come on, it is summer. Stop being nervous. Relax,
have fun, forget about the job and go out tonight to disco. Life is
given once. Enjoy it and forget about these calculations. |
Denise
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 12:51 pm:
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I a am not nervous and I am not mourning. I just wanted
to respond to Lamiya. |
An Observer
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 02:00 pm:
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Please correct me if I'm being "arrogant", but, to be
honest, I'm VERY surprised to know that the passing mark was ONLY
50%. (considering that most of you have a number of years of
relevant academic, as well as professional background in this field.
Plus, some of you studied like mad for this exam). With this
pathetic passing mark, it would be even more shocking if only 20% of
the candidates have passed (if your "imaginary stats", indeed,
reflected the reality).
I'm confident that passing IPR test is a
highly feasible task (unlike other UN competitive exams), and I'll
certainly encourage those who have set their heart on refugee
assistance work to give it a shot for IPR. |
ved
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 06:33 pm:
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Dear Observer,
Generally I agree with you.
However, I have one thought that I would like to share with you.
From the very beginning I admit that what I will write below is just
a suggestion, I have no evidence that it is true. It is just my
feeling.
I think the passing level of 50% was not set from
the very beginning. I think it was set after the test results became
available. I have a feeling that (at least it seems logical), in
order to ease their life and simplify their work, the Recruitment
Office targeted to reach the certain ratio, let's say 2-3 people per
post. To put it simple, let's say the recruitment officers know how
many openning positions are expected next year. They don't want to
have a huge competition per place, and in order to avoid selecting
the final winner from a huge pool of candidates, they try to achieve
the ratio of 2-3 (or maybe 4-5) candidates per place. Let say, if
the number of expected positions is 50 and the Recruitment
department doesn't want to consider more than 3 applicants per
place, then they will target to have 150 people retained in the
roster. If 70 places are expected and the recruiters are happy with
the ratio of 1/4, then they target at the number of 280 retained
people. It all depends what the Recruitment department has in mind.
Therefore, it's quite possible that the minimum passing
level has been established AFTER the results of the test are
available.
If many people scored more than 80%, then
obviosly the passing level would be higher than 50%. And vise versa
- if many people wrote poor answers, then the guys in the
recruitment would adjust the minimum passing level in a way that
allows the desired competition ratio per the number of expected
vacancies.
If you say 50% seems too low, then I guess the
majority of the test-takers gave poor answers. But let me disagree
with you. I studied really hard for the exam, I would say I have
never before studied so hard and have never in my life mobilzed my
memory, intellectual skills, academic background and all my energy
as high as I did now. I studied for two months! I even sent my
family away for the whole month and took the month-off from my work.
I went to the test very confidently and felt very positive after the
test. My immediate feeling after the test was that I did really well
and I felt very confident. And if 54% is the eventual outcome of
such a hard study and preparation, then I guess 50% is indeed not
the most "liberal" and easy limit. So far, we have Ole-Ole's hit of
64%. No one scored higher than 64%. No one with 90, 80 or even 70%.
Maybe there are people with such scores who are not in this forum or
who didnt' share their results with us (if there are, please write
here), but considering that many people took this test quite
seriously and 41% is the average score, then this average is not the
bad result at all, although the passing level is higher.
Of
course, it is just the assumption. I may be
wrong. |
guest
7
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| Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 08:46 am:
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ved,
in response to your call above re: scores, i
passed with 76%. |
ved
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| Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 10:24 am:
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Guest 7, it is really an excellent score!
Congartulations. But I am sure there are very few with such a high
score.
Ved
p.s. could you post your scores per sections
plz. Thanks. |
guest
7
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| Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 10:47 am:
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there you go ved,
Your results are:
I.
Analytical Skills: 12.5 out of 15
II. Ethical/Professional
Conduct: 18 out of 22
IIIA. Programme Case Study: 7 out of 13
IIIB. Protection Case Study: 0 out of 8
IV. UN/UNHCR Knowledge
Questions: 42 out of 54
Total %: 76 % |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 05:20 pm:
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Guest 7, your score is impressive. Congratulations. Have
you worked for the HCR previously or you just studied very hard? I
am curious about your background. |
buba
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 05:09 pm:
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tortuous waiting... |
anonymous
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 04:52 pm:
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This is a very credible information. It is up to you to
believe it or not. But don't ask for more info (this is all I can
tell you) and who I am (I can't tell you).
If you do not get
any contract within one year, the roster does not expire as such.
You will be contacted and asked to confirm whether you would like to
extend your membership for another year. You won't be required to
re-apply or take another test.
This year a little bit more
than 200 people passed the test and were retained in the roster.
Last year, about 180 people out 430 in the roster got the
contract (41%).
This year the number of external posts will
remain roughly the same, but the competition will be a bit higher:
250 "remainees" from the last year + 200 from this year = 450 people
for about 180 positions (makes exactly 40%).
The expected
number of 180 external posts is not final, as it may always happen
that the organization will have to do an emergency recuitment, which
will create more jobs.
So, the chances are not bad. Cheer
up! |
Fatima
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| Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 04:45 pm:
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hello everyone,
I just received an email with a list
of vacant posts. I was wondering if anyone else had received the
same email and if yes, did it say the following:
*"Please note
that as we are still in the grading process to establish
your
personal grade (i.e. P2 or P3), we encourage you to apply for all
posts that interest you at both the P2 and P3 level, while
keeping in
mind that you might not necessarily be eligible to
apply for P3 posts."?*
The reason I'm asking is because most
posts on the vacancy lists, especially those that I find interesting
AND fit my academic/professional profile are of a P3 level, and in
the job description they require 8-10 yrs experience for that
level....which I clearly don't have.
So I'm wondering if I
should spend time applying for jobs I don't stand a chance for, or
should I wait till the next vacancy list?
Ponderingly
F. |
ved
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| Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:30 pm:
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Yes, I also got the email. I think I will apply to the
position in Venezuela, as I speak Spanish.
Fatima, don't
panic - this is not the last list ![:-)]() They
will keep coming. There should be about 150-180 positions during the
year.
We should receive our P grade in two weeks. |
Vugar
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| Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 11:15 pm:
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Hello guys!
What does this "JD needed" mean? Does it
refer to the legal degree (like JD, LLM, SJD,
etc.)? |
Nick
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:22 am:
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Could someone be so kind as to post the list of jobs
released, for the voyeuristic interest of those who failed the test
but are still interested in the process? |
Fatima
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:27 am:
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hey Ved,
I'm not panicking, just a little
disappointed because it doesn't look like I'm going to be applying
this time round. Let's hope the next list will have more posts that
fit my profile, and that they will send it soon :-)
To Vugar, I
think "JD needed" simply means "Job Description Needed".
Good
luck everyone!
F. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 02:31 am:
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Nick, this is for you:
** High
Priority **
Dear IPR Candidate,
Following your success in the 2005 International
Professional Roster (IPR) Entry-Test
and inclusion on the UNHCR IPR, we are
pleased to be sharing with you the attached P2 and P3 vacancies.
Please note that as we are still in the grading process to
establish your personal grade (i.e. P2 or P3), we encourage you to
apply for all posts that interest you at both the P2 and P3 level,
while keeping in mind that you might not necessarily be eligible to
apply for P3 posts.
To get an idea about the various job
descriptions, please follow this link: http://www.unhcr.ch/ipr-jobdescriptions
To apply, simply state the IVN number(s) and post title(s)
in one email message.
Expressions of interest should be
addressed electronically to (HQIPR3@unhcr.ch).
The closing date for receipt of all expressions of interest is 27
June 2005. Late applications will not be considered. E-mails
addressed incorrectly or to the wrong mail-box will also not be
considered.
Successful candidates are expected to be
assigned and deployed as soon as possible following their
appointment. All appointments to these vacancies are initially for
one year. Candidates who are not retained for any of these posts
will be retained on the IPR for one year
from the date of acceptance on the IPR for future
positions that may arise.
Successful candidates may expect
to be contacted in late August 2005 in relation to the filling of
these posts. Due to the large number of applications, we are
unfortunately not able to respond to all the queries from
candidates. We therefore inform you that as the Roster is only used
if the number of internal candidates is limited, DHRM will only
contact those candidates who have been selected for a post. We may
also contact you to express interest in other vacancies which may
not have been among your preferences.
Classification of Duty
Stations: Most of our openings are in the field duty stations with
varying degrees of hardship in terms of health, climate, education,
housing, isolation, local conditions and security. Many if not most
of these duty stations are located in remote areas, where living
conditions are often difficult. All duty stations are categorized
according to their level of hardship, i.e. H as the least difficult
(Headquarters and similarly designated locations), followed by A to
E in increasing order of difficulty. The classification of duty
stations is determined by the International Civil Service Commission
(ICSC) based on a number of factors, i.e. health, security, climate,
housing, isolation, local conditions and educational facilities, as
reported on a questionnaire for this purpose by staff of the UN
organizations at each duty station.
Kindly note that a
message with your personal grade will be sent to you within the
coming 2 weeks.
Thank you.
Vladimir Mijovic
Head,
Roster Unit |
Guest
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 02:33 am:
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Nick, post your email address here, I will email you the
attachment (excel file) with offered jobs. |
Nick
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 04:40 am:
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Ved and Guest, many thanks. Please forward to nick1964@gmail.com |
guest
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Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 11:01 am:
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http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-institutions_government/refugee_2624.jsp |
Farah
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 11:49 am:
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To Guest or Nick, can you please also send me the offered
jobs to my email? it is Farah6@hotmail.it
I want to
know if they posted any jobs for Arab speakers..
Thanks a lot |
Clochette
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 02:51 pm:
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Hello everybody,
Like Farah above, I would be
grateful to anyone nice who could send me the "offered jobs", just
to see if I could have applied if I had not failed... Just to see if
some ads match my profile.
Thanks you very much in advance.
citronorange@voila.fr |
Clochette
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 02:53 pm:
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And good luck to those who are going to apply. Hoping for
you you'll get a job in the field. |
Clochette
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 03:07 pm:
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To Farah:
An ad that could be interesting for you.
Job Title Arabic-Speaking Delegate
Organisation ICRC (http://www.icrc.org/)
Job Location -
Various -
Closing date 08 Jul 2005
Job
Description and qualifications:
The International
Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), an independent humanitarian
organization whose mandate is to provide protection and assistance
for victims of armed conflict and internal disturbances, has
vacancies for : Arabic-speaking delegate
Your task
Delegates have several functions: visiting prisoners of war
and political detainees, restoring family ties, organizing relief
operations and promoting the principles of the Red Cross and of
international humanitarian law. As a representative of the ICRC,
they also maintain contact and negotiate with government authorities
- civilian and military - in order to carry out their work as
effectively as possible.
Selection requirements
ideal age: 25 to 35
prepare to accept unaccompanied
postings during the first 24 months of collaboration
university
education or equivalent
a year or two of professional experience
excellent command of Arabic, French and English
familiarity
with word processing and spreadsheet software
driving licence
(must cover manual transmission - a licence for
automatic-transmission vehicles only is not sufficient)
Your
profile
strongly motivated by humanitarian work
open-minded and adaptable
neat appearance, good speaker,
well-developed writing and summarizing skills
able to work under
pressure in a dangerous environment
What we offer
an
opportunity to help the victims of conflict
engrossing,
rewarding work in unusual situations
a four-week orientation
course in Switzerland prior to posting abroad
ample support in
integrating into the new working environment
opportunities for
further in-house training
generous benefits
assistance with
career reorientation
For reasons related to the institutions
working procedures, in particular its principle of neutrality, the
ICRC personnel cannot be nationals or originate from the country
where the visits take place.
Applications for this
position should be sent to:
If you are eager to use your
skills in humanitarian endeavour, please send your application with
a detailed Curriculum Vitae, along with a recent photograph, to:
International Committee of the Red Cross
Recruitment Unit
Avenue de la Paix 19
CH - 1202 Geneva
Switzerland
rh_rec.gva@icrc.org
Job reference code: RW_51646T |
Farah
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 04:10 pm:
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Clochette, I've sent you what I've got from Vugar. Best
of luck..
To Vugar: thanks a million for sending the jobs.
Wish you good luck in scoring a job with the HCR
As for me,
there was only one job that requested Arabic speakers and it is not
Admin work as I've applied to.. |
Vugar
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 06:08 pm:
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thanks Farah |
guest
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Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 01:39 pm:
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from the hcr website.....
Careers and recruitment
We wish to inform all persons interested in working for UNHCR that more
details on the next invitation to the International Professional
Roster will be published on this website on 1st October 2005.
Please be reminded that, in order to broaden the
opportunities for rotation to posts in different regions and to
respond to actual professional recruitment needs, interested
candidates who apply for the International Professional Roster are
required to have a demonstrated working knowledge of English and
encouraged to have knowledge of a second UN language. If they do not
have the second UN language, they must at least demonstrate that
they are enrolled in an accredited language learning programme in
order to be considered for the Roster.
A working knowledge
is demonstrated by having achieved the university qualification in
the language, by having served effectively using the language in a
country where it is the official working language or by passing the
UN or another accredited language proficiency exam.
For the
next Roster invitation, we may be in need of the following profiles
as described in the standard post profiles. Please note that these
profiles reflect the duties and responsibilities at the P-3 level
and should be taken as guidance for the functions performed at the
P-2 level.
Kindly note that candidates who took the 2005 IPR Entry-Test
on 28 April have already been informed of their test results.
Unfortunately, we will not be in a position to entertain any
individual questions about the results and correction process.
Thank you for your interest in working for UNHCR. |
lapa
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 03:06 pm:
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Hmmm.... next year is going to be
tougher... |
wow
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 03:52 pm:
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I expressed interest in 8 vacancies out of 18 in the list
that we all received. I placed them in the order of preference and
emailed the vacancy numbers to the stipulated email address. No
reply since then, although I understand that it is too soon to
expect any response from them. And we are still expecting our grades
(P2 or P3).
Would be great to get the first appointment in
late July - August. I mean personally for me, since I need to close
business with my current employer, which takes several weeks.
I guess, the more dangerous the duty station is (D and E
categories), the more you are paid. E.g., Kosovo or Liberia. But on
the other hand, you cannot take your family there and should be
ready to live apart from your children whom you will definitely
miss... Quite a dilemma.
Let's keep this forum alive, even
after some of us get the appointment and start working with HCR.
Good luck to all! |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 10:03 am:
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wow
your clear interest in the well-being of others
is overwhelming |
Guest
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Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 09:46 am:
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To Wow:
Yes, more interested in money than in anyting
else ! |
OLE, OLE!!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 10:04 am:
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Those of you who r qualifying WOW, I guess you have not
followed this forum from its begining,
right????? |
An ordinary bird
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 01:19 pm:
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I thought the below quotes raise some challenging
thoughts to me.
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"If I am what I have and if I lose what I have who then am
I?" - Erich Fromm
"To hope means to be ready at every moment
for that which is not yet born, and yet not become desperate if
there is no birth in our lifetime." -Erich
Fromm |
last
minute
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 10:48 pm:
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hello everybody
this is to tell you i took the
test and never received any mail regarding my results
i was
not so worried until i visited the UNHCR website
and read that the candidates had already been informed of their
results.....
it was not my case!
so i must assume
this is it, but i am curious, among those having taken the test, do
you have all received a response by email, either fail or pass
....????
what is this list of vacancies, compendium ...
???
can someone forward it to me fraracely@aol.com ?
thank you |
OLE, OLE!!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 07:49 pm:
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To Last minute: Based on the forum info, I think that
every soul, whether passed or not, has been informed on the test
results.
To omole: we are ALL very interested in development
jobs, if you really love it, u should look on the internet, as
anyone else.
I am sorry if I am not being polite enough, but I
do not think this is a searching job engine, but a forum on the UNHCR
test!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we knew where to
find the right job, we would not be here chatting about UNHCR,
NO???????????????
Really, we should have already informed about
our P 2or P3 status, and not a single word. Am I the only one in the
most obscure UN silence? |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 09:15 pm:
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To OLE OLE,
you are right, this is a forum for the ipr test but as
you know we had other people in this forum who passed on job
announcements before, not to mention quotes and jokes. i do not mean
to offend you but there is really no need to be rude to oyebanji who
is concerned about his career as much as we are.
To
oyebanji,
i would suggest you first check out vacancies at http://www.reliefweb.int/ and http://www.unjobs.org/. from these sites you'll
get an idea about the main organisations and from there you can
extend your research. hope this helps and good
luck. |
WOW
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 07:35 pm:
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Guest, http://www.unjobs.org/ is generally hopeless.
Whatever you send there, is like sending to trash.
OLE, I
think no one has received the grade yet... |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 03:14 am:
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Dear IPR Candidate,
Please find below 1 vacancy from Addendum No. 1 to the Fast
Track Chad/Sudan of May 2005. Should you be interested in applying
to this vacancy, kindly send your expression of interest to this
email address, without changing the subject heading.
VACANCY:
IVN/05/669 - Head of Field Office - P3 -
Field Office, Gemena, Democratic Republic of Congo, French language
is essential.
To apply, simply state all the IVN Number
and Post title and Location that interest you in ONE email message.
Deadline to apply: Today, 12 July 2005, COB.
Regards,
IPR Unit. |
Guest
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Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 12:04 pm:
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HCR does not let people enouhgh time to think about an
add. You have to answer very quickly. Deadline is today for the ad
above. |
OLE OLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 05:59 pm:
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Yes, the deadline has come and gone. Anyway, I did not
think I was ready to be "Head" of unit, in Congo.
Any one out
there has received any answer from the first list of vacancies??? |
Fatima
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 06:46 pm:
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hey everyone,
still no answer re: the posts I'd
applied to following the first list of vacancies, but did receive my
personal grade: P3.....wooohooo!!
Cheers
F. |
chris
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 06:52 pm:
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I received my grade as well P 3 of which I am satisfied. |
WOW
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 01:26 am:
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P-3 |
guest
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Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 09:47 am:
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Hi P3s !
The first of you who receives a job from
the UNHCR
tells the others, ok ?
Take care |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 11:06 pm:
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I got P-4 which is much higher than I expected. But to be
honest, I don't care much about the grade at the moment. I would be
happy just to get any contract (even P-2), as I am jobless now with
all my savings gone.
One thing is good about P-4: I don't
have limitations now when I apply, meaning I will qualify for all
vacancies (as far as the grade is concerned). To inspire the P-3s, I
don't think I will have better chances than you guys when we apply
for P-3 positions. Besides, there are not too many P-4 positions
anyway. So, I guess this grade thing is only about the salary...
Take care all. |
Patience
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:00 pm:
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WOW,
You can't send or apply through Reliefweb or
UNjobs, they just provide job leads. UNjobs is a specialized search
engine; they say on every page that they are not related to the UN.
You need to click through to the various organizations to apply. I
know it's tough when an application goes unacknowledged, but that's
everyone's complaint! |
WOW
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 05:08 am:
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Patience, you are possibly right. Perhaps UNjobs is a
different website. What is indeed hopeless is http://www.un.org/ I am
wondering whether there is anyone who got a job through this
official UN site.
I still suspect that one needs personal
connections to get his/her application short-listed. This is what I
heard, but I hope this is wrong.
wow |
Admin
Admin
Username:
Admin
Post Number: 15
Registered: 09-2002
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| Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 11:48 am:
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Hello IPR-ers,
Great thread; the longest on the site in fact! I've a few
thoughts:
-- Would it be useful if the Forum created a
specific section for processes like the IPR, or even
procedures like the JPO and other entry level programmes? I'm sure
there are thousands more people in the same boat every year who
could do to 'chew the fat' about these processes.
-- Would
one of you be able to put together some kind of distillation of the
insights gained during the thread? I can put this up as a
'standalone' post accompanying your discussion. It's your call. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 05:14 pm:
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Hi Admin! I would suggest to create several
sub-directories by the year of IPR: IPR-1, IPR-2, IPR-3, etc. If
we continue this forum the way it functions now, by the end of the
year when the next IPR starts the
forum will be very long and it will be difficult to open the page.
What do you think of the idea?
We can call the current forum IPR-3. The one
that starts in October could be called IPR-4, etc.
People applying next year could visit the IPR-3 page to
check the experience of their predecessors. Otherwise, the forum
will be endless... |
wow
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 09:28 pm:
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** High Priority **
Dear IPR Candidate,
Please find below 1 vacancy from the March 2005 Compendium.
Should you be interested in applying to this vacancy, kindly send
your expression of interest to this email address, without changing
the subject heading.
VACANCY:
IVN/05/489 - Repatriation
Officer - P3 - Field Office, Impfondo, Republic of Congo, French
language is essential, non-family duty station.
To apply,
simply state the IVN Number, Post title and Location in ONE email
message.
Deadline to apply: Saturday, 23 July 2005, COB.
Regards,
IPR Unit |
Pesimistic OLE OLE
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 08:28 pm:
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Dear all
do you think that now all the vacancies will
be sent like this, I mean, one each time and with one week or more
in between???
Then, I do not think a test was even needed.. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 05:23 am:
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no one knows ![:-(]() |
chris
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 08:48 am:
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by the way who applied for
impfondo? |
ManOnTheMoon
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:17 am:
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I think vacancies will be sent as they become availabe.
Sure, there are main seasons where a lot of vacancies are/will be
advertised, but throughout the year, if they are having difficulties
filling a few of those, they would send them out like that, one by
one or in couples or whatever as and when a particular section or
manager requests them to do so.
OLE OLE: I'm not sure I
understand the connection between the test and how vacancies are
shared?
Ved: I talked to someone close to HCR and they told
me that no one got a P4, all P2s or P3s... |
ved, a P4 ![:-)]()
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 02:24 am:
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Then either I read my letter wrong or they made a mistake
![:-)]() |
OldIPRMember
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 02:22 am:
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Hey all:
I know a couple of people who got off
the Roster from the '03 round. I'm still on it from then, and I wish
all the best of luck. If you're looking for rules of thumb, the
people who made it off to my knowledge generally were Common Sys
consultants at the time. Also, unless you're IT, don't even bother
with expressing interest in anything at HQ. *Don't* intern in the
hopes of raising your chances - I know someone who did that and it
made him ineligible when he was contacted for posting.
The
process seems more formalized now than when we took it, so maybe
they're running separate distributions to all of you. We didn't get
breakdowns, only a notif that we had passed or failed. The exam was
admin online in the 2003 round (we actually took the test in March
04).
All the best, from someone who has been on it forever |
OLE,OLE!!
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 04:05 pm:
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Hi, old IPR Member!
I have 2 questions for you, regarding your last message. So if
you ever get online in this forum again, I, We would be very
thankful if you could tell us.
1. What do you mean by Common Sys
consultants? or you meant guys?
2. And what is this: Don't
Intern?????
Thank you |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 01:48 am:
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Ole, I guess the Old IPR Member meant
that at this point we should not even try to get into the Geneva
headquater as interns (for internships). My understanding is that it
won't increase our chances after the internship ends. We should
start from Liberia or Chad ![:-)]() |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 03:35 am:
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UNHCR
regulations prohibit re-employment of any intern for six months
after the internship is finished. Common sys consultants are short
term UN employees, usually employed on a project by project basis
without long-term contracts. |
Guest
5
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:51 am:
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I don't want to tarnish anyones hopes - but having spoken
to people in the know, I really feel that the IPR has been a
waste of time - I spent the best part of a month preparing for it
too! I have recently joined IOM as an associate expert and have
heard quite a bit about UNHCR - it seems
that they are scaling back their operations. I have also found that
a lot of UNHCR jobs (and
jobs in most agencies) are given through connections: I used to be
idealistic - but now I have seen the dark side...IPR sham attempt
at transparency. |
ManOnTheMoon
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 09:01 am:
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First, I don't think the IPR is a sham
cause I know that more than a hunderd people got recruited through
it. Second, I think this forum has run its course. Take a break
peoples...and don't be pessimistic ![:-)]() put
your eggs in a few baskets. |
WomanOnPlanetEarth
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 09:42 am:
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Brian was right all along about the people using this
forum......Get a grip, grow up and stop
moaning. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 03:27 pm:
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No panic. I spoke to an officer from UNHCR's
recruitment department who clearly told me that last year more than
half of the IPR members
received the appointment. This year they expect more vacancies to be
given to IPR.
The Compendium for 2005-06 will be released in September. So, be
patient. It is summer. People are on holidays, no one works there
now, the offices are semi-empty. THe announcements will come in
September-October, like a snowfall on your head. Enjoy the summer. I
am also jobless now, but after receiving my grade I am completely
calm ![:-)]() We all will get
jobs. |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 04:44 pm:
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Thanks ved for this info. It is good to know. We should
take it easy and just wait. Why this year they expect more vacancies
to be given to the roster? |
Admin
Admin
Username:
Admin
Post Number: 18
Registered: 09-2002
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| Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 11:16 am:
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WhereIsTheInterviewGuru - I have moved your message about
UNHCR
interview technique to a new thread. You can find it
here. |
WhereIsTheInterviewGuru
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 02:16 pm:
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Admin: Thank you for granting me the "honor and
privilege" of initiating a new thread. May the new thread live and
multiply.
Just a personal opinion: Would changing the other
thread title to UN ORG interview advice be helpful to facilitate
broader discussions on the general UN interview tips? Personally, I
have been having a difficulty with finding the info on UN/UNHCR job
interviews, and hope this forum could turn into a treasure chest of
useful resources. Thank you for your time and this great forum. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 01:28 am:
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Admin, in the new thread there is no ADD YOUR MESSAGE box
where the guests could write and post
messages. |
Admin
Admin
Username:
Admin
Post Number: 22
Registered: 09-2002
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 12:30 pm:
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Whoops, sorry. Fixed. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 06:11 pm:
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Hello IPR colleagues!
We all received the new list of vacancies. Now I have
several questions:
1) Could you guys tell me what is the
right format of expressing the interest? Is it sufficient simply to
send an email to HQIPR3@unhcr.ch and
write smth like this:
"My name is this and this. I
express my interest in the following vacancies:
IVN/05/ 861
External Relations Ofcr. Iran
IVN/05/ 542 Protection Ofcr. Egypt
IVN/05/ 264 Protection Ofcr. Serbia & Mont. (Gnjilane)
IVN/05/ 462 Community Services Ofcr. Kenya
IVN/05/ 361
Protection Ofcr. Kenya
IVN/05/ 437 Community Services Ofcr.
Liberia.
Sincerely,
[Signature]"
Do you
think this is sufficient?
2) Also, do I understand correctly
that all the interesting vacancies from the attached Excel file
should be sent to HQIPR3@unhcr.ch ,
while expression of interest for the eleven positions advertised in
the email body should be sent to HQPE14@unhcr.ch ?
3) Also, what do they mean by "your application"? Well,
updated P-11 is clear, but what is "application"? A simple email
with the IVN of the selected vacancies, like the sample email above?
4) Does it mean that if someone is applying for the position
of a grade lower than initially assigned to the IPR candidate,
he/she will stay on that lower grade for at least 3 years before the
upgrade can be considered?
5) Finally, do I understand
correctly that the first appointment must be accepted, otherwise if
the first offer is rejected we are out altogether?
Let's
discuss these issues. I think they are important.
ved |
Maragato
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 08:03 pm:
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Hi, I'm an IT engineer also included in the current
roster.
Ved, may this be the the Compendium for 2005-06 that
you mentioned in your past email?
Does someone know what the
remarks such as "Vacant - ex Mr Saleh Hassan SHEIKH" or "Vacant - ex
Mr Adrian FULUGUNYA" mean?
The say that field post are open
for general application. What does this mean and which are the field
posts? Everything out of Geneva?
Ved, with regard to your
second question, notice that the 11 vacancies externally advertised
are included in the excel file too.
With regard to the
fourth question, I understand the same as you, so I think in
principle it's unreasonable to apply at P2 level if you have been
graded at P3.
About your fifth question' it's clearly stated
that if some of us turn down a position for which he/she has
expressed interest he/she will be drawn from the list.
By
the other hand, I have read several old emails in this forum about
language issues. From my point of view, the IPR Roster
organizers should warn the candidates to the exam about the
importance of the french in order to be finally contracted.
Lastly I think it would be helpful if the excel file
included a brief description of the post. Do you agree?
Regards from spain.
Maragato |
guest
7
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 02:40 pm:
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hey guys, i have another question.
what does it mean
when they say that we should apply for posts compatible with
profiles indicated in our application? so, if i said in my initial
application that i wanted to be a programme officer, can i express
interest only for programme officer and/or field officer posts?
ved, i think the email format above is the correct one but
you also need to indicate the timeframe you'll be ready for
deployment. and looking at my email, i do not see the hqpe14@unhcr.ch
address that you mention. mine just talks about the usual hqipr3
address. but then my email only has p2 posts (cause that's my grade)
and maybe it is a different deal with higher personal grades...
maragato, i do not think that this is the 2005-06
compendium. to the best of my knowledge that one is called the
september compendium not march compendium. i think there are two
advertised each year. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:21 pm:
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Hello Maragato,
Thank you for drawing my
attention to the fact about those 11 vacancies being included in the
excel file too. It didn't occur to me in the beginning. Thanks for
noticing it.
No, these are the "leftovers" from the old
compendium. The new one hasn't been released yet.
"Vacant -
ex Mr Saleh Hassan SHEIKH" and "Vacant - ex Mr Adrian FULUGUNYA"
mean that these posts existed before, and now Saleh and Adrian moved
to another place (or left HCR altogether) and they have vacated the
posts... When the remark says "Vacant - new" it means that the post
has been just created, i.e. it didn't exist before.
No idea
what they mean by "the field post being open for general
applications". I would appreciate comments on this by the UNHCR veterans.
Guest 7, check the email carefully: they indicate two
different email addresses in the message. You should be careful and
not send messages to the wrong address. This hqpe14@unhcr.ch is
only for those 11 posts. The rest should be sent to the hqipr3
address.
I also would like to know how strict they are with
the job profile indicated in your application...
ved |
OLE, OLE!!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 12:59 am:
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hello all
I am also P2 and my list does not mention
any HQPE14 either, only the usual hqpe13.And this saleh is not
either, so i think that you guys, graded P3 and above, have received
more than 1 listing
When they say that field post are open for
all, I think that any profile can apply, regardless of what we
indicated when we first sent the application back in january(but
this is what i think)
So, if I understand correctly, there
should be another big ine compendium coming up in sept or novenber,
right??
Greetings from NYC |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 01:11 pm:
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OLE, you are right - P2s, P3s and P4s received different
lists. For example, I received an attachment with one excel file
with 50 vacancies as well as 11 more vacancies mentioned in the
email body. There were two different email addresses where we were
supposed to send our choices: hqipr3@unhcr.ch for
the vacancies mentioned in the excel file and hqpe14@@unhcr.ch for
those 11 vacancies in the email body. The difference in the P2, P3
and P4 lists explains everything.
I agree with your
understanding of the "open field post" issue. I also think so.
Yes, indeed these vacancies are the "leftovers" from the
last year's Compendium. The one for the coming year will be released
in early autumn, and it will include quite a lot of posts. Actually,
people already working in UNHCR and whose
contracts are to expire are also waiting for that X day. So, it is
going to be a tough time for all of us ![:-)]()
The fact of 90% of posts requiring French or Arabic also
depresses me ![:-(]()
Ved |
OLE, OLE!!!!
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 01:44 pm:
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ved:
Well, why do u say that 90% of the vacancies
require french or arabic?I mean, where did u get that info??? |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 10:27 pm:
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OLE, in the list of 50 vacancies that I have received,
only 6 didn't require French and Arabic. The majority of the
advertized posts say French (or Arabic) E, meaning essential... |
chris
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 01:28 pm:
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Ved. In my list (P3) most of the vacancies require Arabic
(D) desirable and French (E)essential only in a couple of vacancies.
Don't mind about the French being my language of education but I
still think that theoretically we can apply also for those positions
where Arabic is desirable although chances would be certainly
slimmer. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 02:56 pm:
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Dear Chris and OLE,
Then it again reinforces my
suspicion that we all must be receiving different lists. I think
they indeed divided us into several groups and then they send
different lists to the groups. Otherwise, why would we have
different email texts and different attachments?
Ved |
Guest
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 09:30 am:
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I hope you all realise many of the jobs offered
"exclusively" to IPR test
candidates are now being advertised for open recruitment on the UNHCR website. |
Guest
19
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 09:20 am:
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Hi everyone,
So, if I understand well, none of you
who passed the last IPR test hads
received a concrete offer for a job in the field ?
In fact, I
wonder if this test was not like a joke... Maybe there aren't even
jobs in the field... |
Adak
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:19 am:
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Guest 19, things never go that fast. It has been only
couple of weeks since we know our results. And nobody will offer a
job without an interview, so I guess we can consider ourselves only
being a kind of shortlisted candidates. What I know is that there
are not so many people on the roster (I do not know exact numbers,
but is not like there is a long waiting list) and that chances are
high, although not guaranteed . |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 04:14 am:
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Guest 19,
To do the IPR costs money.
Organizing the test around the world, paying people to supervise the
exam, then paying the employees to check hundreds of exam papers,
evaluating our skills and assigning grades, etc, etc. All this costs
money. Thousands of dollars would have not been spent for a "joke".
We should take this IPR seriously.
The lack of feedback from HCR at this point means that they are
working on it. Adak is right - it does no go so fast. Just be
patient.
FYI, last year about 70% of the IPR-2 got the
offers. So, cheer up ![:-)]()
Ved |
Guest
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 08:58 am:
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Ved,
The money is not a problem for UN
agencies... It would not be the first time that a lot of money is
spent for limited results. Although you are probably right: it takes
time.
Where did you get this number that 70% got offer last
year: I thought it was only 40%? |
OLe
Ole
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 04:21 pm:
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Hi everyone!!!
yeah, I would also like to know where
u got this info on 70% of assigned jobs. But to tell the truth, I am
also a bit depressed. This complete lack of info is (expected) but
anyway despairing sometimes.
Anh how do you know, Guest 19, that
there arenot so many people on this waiting list???
I had
calculated around 400 between this and last year, u think I am wron?
How many do u (all) estimate???
Bye |
Adak
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 08:38 am:
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I am working in Geneva and got this info (about not long
waiting list) through HR of my organization. Honestly, I have no
idea about exact numbers but in fact I prefer it this way. |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 04:37 pm:
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Hi everyone.
I managed to pull this info (about 70%)
from someone who called me in June to clarify my background, just
before we were assigned our P grades.
Ole, you are right - now
we are about 400 people. The same person told me that 200 out of
total 300 got the jobs last year, and the remaining 100 were sort of
"carried forward" to this year's IPR-3. That
makes about 70% lucky guys. Together with this year's 300
pass-people, there are now overall 400 candidates in IPR. However,
the same person told me that this year more vacancies are expected
than in the past... And contrary to what has been announced in the
beginning, there WILL be the option of being carried forward to the
next year's roster (IPR-4) for the
unlucky ones. With no need to take the test again.
So, guys,
the notion of "long waiting list" is quite relative. It all depends
how many vacancies will be available. If there are 5 vacancies for
400 people, then of course it is a long waiting list. But if there
are 350 vacancies for the same number of people, then it is not that
long ![:-)]()
I tend to trust this
source.
Ved |
Ole
Ole
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 10:28 pm:
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to VED;
why are you always so well informed./...?
thanks |
maragato
Guest
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 08:13 pm:
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Did somebody in the forum receive a recruitment offer
from UNHCR or
did somebody hold an interview? |
ole
ole
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 01:08 am:
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not me buahhhhhhhhhhhh |
Tom
Longley
Moderator
Username:
Tom
Post Number: 22
Registered: 08-2005
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| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 02:21 pm:
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Hello there --
Please forgive my posting this
message across the most active threads on the Forum.
The
Forum moderators have produced a set of common sense Posting
Guidelines and a Terms of Service to help keep this Forum relevant
to relief and development professionals. The need for these arose
mostly from question from users, but partly as a result of misuse of
the site. The major change is that we want to actively discourage
the posting of direct requests for financial assistance or
employment.
The Posting Guidelines are here:
http://forum.aidworkers.ork.uk/messages/30319/30321.html?1124117229
The Terms of Service are here:
http://forum.aidworkers.ork.uk/messages/30319/30322.html?1124117664
Do take 5 minutes to have a read. We'd appreciate the
any comments you have. Have we forgotten anything, or are we on the
wrong track? There's a thread in the Community Centre where we can
pool our thoughts:
http://forum.aidworkers.ork.uk/messages/30319/33282.html?1126789288
Thanks. |
ved
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| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 11:27 pm:
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Ole, and why do you believe in everything I am saying?
![:-)]() |
ole
ole
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| Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 12:59 am:
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Maybe because I had the
same(((reserved))))info...........
Anyway, quien espera,
desespera, no???? |
ole
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| Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 05:51 pm:
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maybe, if I understood |
ole
ole
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| Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 07:02 pm:
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Who is using my nick!!!????
Translation (for the
nickname copier): Those who await, desperate (more or less) |
ole ole ole
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| Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 09:59 pm:
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hi brothers |
maragato
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 01:17 pm:
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Algun gemelo 'ole' sois espa |
Karibuni
Writer
Member
Username:
Karibuni
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2005
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 04:33 pm:
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Hello everyone, i got shortlisted for a JPO vacancy with
a UN organization recently. They requested copy of my passport,
including the original of the UN history form. Does that mean i am
almost getting the job? I have done interviews before, but no one
requested loads of documents until i have sure getting the job. I am
just a bit anxious, so u can understand. Plus they said i had been
pre selected, is that before the short list or after the short list
abit confused.
Thanks in advance
Karibuni |
Tom
Longley
Moderator
Username:
Tom
Post Number: 36
Registered: 08-2005
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| Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 04:33 pm:
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I've created a thread for Karibuni's question here:
http://forum.aidworkers.ork.uk/messages/19328/33326.html?1127489385 |
ved
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| Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 06:31 pm:
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I hope everyone received the September 2005 Compendium.
Good luck!
Ved |
Fatima
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| Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 12:29 am:
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Hello everyone,
Yup, got the September 2005 postings.
Crossing fingers and toes!
Has anyone gotten a response
regarding the posts advertised in the March 2005 Compendium (and
ensuing addendums)?
I know they said not to expect a
response until November/December, but just curious....
Thanks
Fatima |
Jaro
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| Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 11:51 am:
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Anybody got an idea when they are looking to fill the
positions they published in the September compendium? I'd be
interested to apply but have a contract until next Feb...
Also, are you allowed to express interest in the type of
posititions you specified in the application?
Cheers for any
advise,
Jaro |
Clara
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| Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 01:01 pm:
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guys, can someone please clarify what they mean when they
say "field posts" are open for general applications. does it refer
to field officer positions or the type of office, i.e. what is not
headquarters such as FO or SO.
I would really appreciate a
clarification... |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 01:47 pm:
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and what does the term "general application" mean, when
they say "open for general applications"??? Does it mean anyone in
the roster can apply regardless of which area of qualification you
selected last January in your application? |
Clara
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| Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 04:19 pm:
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i think that is precisely what it means ved but the
problem remains: what are those "field posts"? this is quite
important...it might at least double our chances for finding a post,
if not triple. |
Concerned about your
anxiety
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| Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 09:07 pm:
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Maybe u should all stop analyzing too much. Field post
mean location of the offices in eg Darfur, Abeche etc... and general
application means u only have to have the minimum requirements for a
position with HRC ie the position is not specialized, u don't need
to be an IT person or etc etc... just need
to |
Fatima
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| Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 12:24 am:
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hello Jaro,
according to their email:
"Candidates may expect to be contacted in December 2005 /
January 2006
in relation to the filling of this post."
also:
""The successful candidate is expected to be
assigned and deployed within
2 months following appointment.
Appointment is initially for one year."
So if you're
selected, you'll still be able to complete your contract before
taking up the post.
But you should mention your availability
nonetheless.
Cheers
F. |
Chechen
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| Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 03:13 am:
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Hi Mr.Concerned,
And how are we supposed to know
which position is General and which is not? Is it indicated
anywhere? Could you help us please.
Chechen |
funky skunk
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| Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 03:20 pm:
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Guys - go and smoke some weed. That will do you a lot
better than writing all this crap. |
guest
666
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| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 09:14 am:
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deadline approaching, ah? ![:-)]() |
ved
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 04:56 pm:
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We all have received:
a) Fast Track for Indonesia and
b) Addendum No. 1 to the September 2005 Compendium
They
say that we need to express interest maximum to 10 positions. Is
this "maximum 10" together with what we have sent by 10 October or
is it a new count?
If it is a new count, do we have to
select maximum 10 positions from each excel file or from
both files?
Ved |
Fatima
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| Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 04:56 pm:
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hey ved,
I responded as if this was a new
count.
I also understand that it is 10 global (from both excel
files), but I could be wrong, so the best thing to do is ask them
directly.
Also, don't forget that there are a couple of
posts that have also been advertised externally. There's no use
including them in your wish list as applications to these posts
through the roster will not be accepted. You'll have to send in a
full application (cover letter, updated PHF etc.)
Good
luck.
Fatima (who can't wait till december and not because
it's X-mas....) |
vasya
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| Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 11:39 am:
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Guys, how much money does a P3 person receive, if he is
in a non-family duty station? NET amount. Will they also pay for our
flight to the duty station? |
Hans-Henrik P. Christensen
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| Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 12:43 pm:
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Hello gang
I'm to take a test early next week in
connection with a JPO in UNHCR HQ GENEVA.
I've been informed that after a short interview 35min. We are to
take a written test. 10min.
Does anyone know if this test i
related to the one that has been discussed above?
Anyone
familiar with the UNHCR test that
is expected to take only 10 min.?
Great Forum....have only
just discovered it now though....will definetly use it more often in
the future!
Cheers, |
Fatima
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| Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 01:31 pm:
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Hello Vasya,
You'll find info on the UN Salary scales
on th UN website:
http://www.un.org/Depts/OHRM/salaries_allowances/salary.htm
This may differ slightly according to your duty station
(additional post adjustments that take into account the cost of
living, etc.)
And yes, they do pay for your flight to the
duty station....and back.
Cheers
F. |
maragato
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| Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 03:08 am:
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Has somebody in the IPR been
interviewed for any position? What is it
about? |
Ole
Ole
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| Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 01:48 pm:
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OK, so there is absolutely no news about interviews or
whatever, at least from my side.
Has anyone heard from
anything??? |
Fatima
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| Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 02:53 pm:
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nope, still nothing, but in their correspondence they
said that we should expect a response for end November/early
December and end December/early January for the more recent vacancy
postings.
So we'll all have to be a little more patient.
Cheers
F |
ved
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 08:00 pm:
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We shouldn't expect anything until December-January. This
is what they clearly wrote.
Will there be interviews? I hate
interviews. I would prefer to take another exam rather than being
interviewed.
OK, now that it is too late to harm each
other's chances and it is long after the deadline, let's share who
applied to what places/posts.
I chose 10 positions:
-
Liberia
- Sierra Leone
- Iraq
- Tanzania
-
Mozambique
- Zambia
- Kuwait
- Myanmar
- Korea
-
Serbia
There was no P4, so I had to select from P3.
And
you guys?
ved |
maragato
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 11:07 pm:
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I neither like the interviews at all, and even less
taking into account that these are phone interviews and I`m not, by
far, bilingual in english.
I have applied for some positions
related to protection in different places, Mexico, Korea, Geneva,...
despite I don't speak a word in french. What I find frustrating is
that many of the most interesting positions are also advertised
externally.
I remember now that in the announcement of this
competition they stated that the successful candidates should be
ready to be deployed on July. Really funny. I don't know you, but I
guess everybody have plans and we can't be waiting forever an
answer.
By the other hand, may somebody tell me which are
the chances to extend the initial 1 year contract? Does it make
sense to give up your current job for a 1 year
contract? |
ved
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| Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 12:44 am:
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Maragato, in one year you will ahve to apply for another
post somewhere else. All you need to do now just to get into the
system. Then it is easy to rotate... You will be then become an
internal candidate ![:-)]() |
Crake
Myers
Member
Username:
Crake
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 09:48 pm:
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Hi everyone,
I've been reading this post topic
with quite an interest. I have a question on how I can go about
applying to take the IPR test?
Are there any restrictions? I'm an undergraduate student
studying political science in Vancouver,
Canada. |
Brian Woodward
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| Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 11:49 am:
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Dear All,
This sounds like a lot of work to get a
job, are UN jobs really that great. I have been reading about a
really interesting guy who has a really great job with an award
winning NGO, Hope International. Why don't you guys look at other
alternatives. You can read about his experiences at http://www.hope4dave.com/ |
Vugar
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| Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 04:21 pm:
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Dear Crake Myers,
I think they will look also how
many years of work experience you have. If you are an undergrad, you
need to collect at least several years of work experience
(preferrably in relief-related NGOs) and then apply for the IPR. But I may
be mistaken... Who knows what they have in their minds! I think they
need not only your academic background but a little bit of
professional work experience too. After all, it is about the P2, P3
and P4 levels, which definitely require experience.
For now,
not to waste your time, start reading the study materials. They are
in www.personal.ceu.hu/staff/Vugar_Seidov/UNHCR/
Just click on UNHCR study
materials.
Good luck,
Vugar |
Ella
Member
Username:
Guest2005
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2005
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| Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 12:34 am:
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Dear Vugar,
Thanks for posting your study
materials. (Btw I am also interested in IPR, and
planning to take it this upcoming year, assuming I get that far in
the process). I am not an undergraduate student.
Are those
the same study materials that UNHCR provides
if you are invited to take the test, or is it something that you put
together yourself?
And one last question, do you have those
documents in hard copies? If you do would you be interested in
sharing them, may be even for a price?
Thanks,
guest
2005 |
Ashish
Ganguly
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| Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 06:09 am:
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[Deleted.Why? Off topic. Please read our posting
guidelines] |
Toby Droogstopel
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| Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 09:23 am:
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Dear Ashish, Ella and Vugar,
If you are not
successful with UNHCR. Hope
International also has an International Professional Register and
also a Youth Professional Programme. Although the salary levels are
not quite the same as the UN it still offers a rewarding career
helping reduce suffering through humanitarian work. The entry
requirements are a little easier than UNHCR but still
tough (although from what I have seen the quality of staff of Hope
and UNHCR is
pretty similar). Hope runs some training courses on humanitarianism.
Maybe you might be inetersted. http://www.hope4dave.com/Training.htm
Good
luck and hope to see you in the field some
day |
Tabitha Olsen
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| Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 12:26 pm:
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Dear Toby and Brian,
I am not sure why you are
promoting Hope international. All the people in this discussion are
interested in joining UNHCR because of
its reputation. I personally have not heard of Hope International
and I don't think the staff or the organisations are really
comparable. |
Tom
Longley
Moderator
Username:
Tom
Post Number: 65
Registered: 08-2005
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| Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 01:43 pm:
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Hope4Dave is a satire on aid work; a very funny one too. |
Tom
Longley
Moderator
Username:
Tom
Post Number: 76
Registered: 08-2005
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 01:58 pm:
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IPR-ers: fancy
helping out on this question?
http://forum.aidworkers.ork.uk/messages/116/36596.html?1131541307 |
maragato
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| Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 02:13 pm:
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I suppose everybody has received a new message from UNHCR asking to
renew our interest in the IPR (just 5
months after the new roster) and requesting to fill in new forms
(again) by the deadline.
If no reply is received by that
date, they will assume that we are no longer interested. Nobody has
been offered a contract, nobody has been contacted for an interview
and they are already willing to remove us from the list.
All
this is more than ridiculous!. I'm absolutely disappointed with the
UNHCR, the IPR competition,
with its burocracy and its inefficiency. |
Vugar
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| Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 02:19 pm:
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Dear Ella, these are the last year's study materials. I
cannot say whether they will remain unchanged for the next IPR campaign.
I do have the hard copies, but frankly speaking, I would
like to keep them. In case if I get a contract with HCR, I will
definitely need them in my work.
But why are you asking hard
copies? You can easily download and print them from the link I
provided. I mean, I have the printed materials, not the master copy
books. I simply downloaded them, printed out and had them bound. And
that was it. It took not so much. Try to print on two sides - that
will make the readers look less in volume.
Toby Droogstopel,
thanks for the invitation. I would prefer to stay with UNHCR, still
hoping to join it.
On a different matter, today I received
an email asking to confirm whether I would like to stay on the
roster, and if yes, then I was asked to update P-11. The deadline is
26 October. Did everyone receive the same email?
Vugar |
ved
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 02:41 pm:
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Yes, Vugar. I also received such email. And I am shocked!
What if I went to a business trip where there is no Internet around?
Would I have been kicked out from the roster if I didn't send this
stupid confirmation by deadline? Being removed from the roster
after we have taken the Entry Test, passed it, received our
grades and even applied for the Compendium positions??? Only
because we - for whatever reason - do not open the email box in time
and do not send this STUPID confirmation!!!
As a matter of
fact, I read this message COMPLETELY ACCIDENTALLY. This stupid yahoo
placed it in my JUNK folder!!! Usually, I clean the BULK folder
automatically, without going through hundreds of spam messages. And
what if I have not seen this email??? Would I have been waiting in
vain for my appointment without the knowledge that I have been
removed from IPR only because
of these stupidities???
Sorry for the harsh language, but
this is really unprofessional! If I am not interested in UNCHR
anymore, I would notify them. What are these confirmations for,
especially with deadlines? Until now, everything was logical. But
this request for confirmation with the threat to be removed if they
don't hear from us within 13 days is insane! After all, I can travel
to a village with no electricity and water, let alone Internet! And
what if I never received this email??? What then??? Wouldn't they
even call us to confirm???
VED (very
angry!) |
chris
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| Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 03:20 pm:
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Dear all,
Do you think that they will ask us to
re-take the entry test in 2006 in order to prolong our stay on the
roster?
I remember that in one of the messages we received they
said that our names would be retained for an initial period of one
year.
Does it mean that they will decide after reviewing the P11
forms who will remain on the roster and who will have to retake the
exams?
Thanks for your thoughts on
that! |
Mary
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| Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 03:48 pm:
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Poor all of you...
I can easily understand that this
makes you angry. The HCR administration seems very strange. I can
hardly understand why they ask people to take a quite hard exam and
then don't even seem to enroll those (or even some of them) who
passed the exam. I wanted to take the 2006 exam but with all that I
have been reading I wonder whether I will take it or not. I'll,
instead, try to go & work in the field with an NGO.
Good
luck to all of you.
Mary |
adak
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| Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 03:53 pm:
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I think WE ALL have recieved the same email. Well, I
totally understand what is behind it (just formalized way to get our
recent P11s combined with confirmation of our lasting interest) but
its wording was not the most fortunate. Have to say, recieving this
email did not make me feel good. |
Vugar
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 12:29 pm:
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Dear Chris, no you won't be required to re-take the test
to stay on the roster. I know this for sure. In one year, they may
ask you whether you would like to be retained for another year. You
can simply say "yes" or "no", but definitely no exam will be
necessary to re-take in order to ramain on the roster.
Vugar |
chris
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 01:42 pm:
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Dear Vugar,
Thanks for the info. It is
reassuring. Just in case I sent them an email asking whether I would
be required to re-take the exam. I also agree that the wording of
the message was a but cryptic and confusing.
Best
Chris |
dana
bahaddou
Member
Username:
Danuch
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2005
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 03:52 pm:
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Hi there - it looks quite scaring this IPR test and
especially what you have been going through since. However, I'm
considering the idea of taking the test this year. Maybe u guys
could help me with some stuff: as experience I have a background of
tv news agency - is that taken into account knowing that I have no
humanitarian experience at all...? Well, I would be interested in
Public Information and I was wodering if the exam is completely
different from the other profiles. If so, has anyone chosen Public
Information?
thanks
dan |
Ella
Member
Username:
Guest2005
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2005
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 01:43 am:
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Dear Vugar,
Thanks for your reply. I will
probably end up printing your notes. I was just wondering whether
there was a book, or if UNHCR gives
these documents if you are invited to take the test.
Good
luck to you and others.
Ella |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 08:16 am:
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Dear All,
I should say that I am also
disappointed about the whole process of the IPR. I continued
applying to other positions and I will start working for an NGO in
Africa next month.
I hope some of you will be contacted for
interviews in the next months to make us feel that it was worth it
to spend one month studying for this test.
I hope also that
those who are not successful this year will be maintained in the
roster until they get something. Do you think it is possible? Will
we need to take the exam again after one year (in 2007) if we are
not contacted before June 2006?
Dana, the exam is the same
for all profiles.
Good luck to all of
you. |
Judith
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:47 am:
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Dear Denise,
I wish you good luck with your new
job within an NGO. Maybe you'll be able to work later on with the
HCR. As for me, i' m back to university where I am this year
studying "humanitarian affairs"; I hope I'll be able to find ajob
with an NGO in a few month.
Good luck to all of you.
Jude |
Vugar
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 09:42 pm:
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Dear Dana Bahaddou, Ella and Denise:
Dana,
no the exam is standard for all profiles, regardless which profile
you chose. The questions are the same. Just read the materials (do
it now, don't waste time) and check this forum from the very
beginning. This will help you to address a lot of questions we have
been encountering before we got the picture cleared ![:-)]()
Ella, UNHCR does not
provide a book. I think there is none. And it doesn't send you the
documents either. It simply gives you the links to study materials,
and it is your responsibility to print and bind. In this respect,
you will have to go through the same headache we had with printing
the materials ![:-(]() But it is worth - you
learn a lot of new and interesting things.
Denise, I
have the definite answer to your question (from the reliable
source): no, you won't be required to re-take the test in order to
stay on the roster for another year. You will just have to confirm
that you are still interested.
And now the question to
everyone: does anyone know what the interview will look like?
Telephone call? Conference talk on the phone? Personal interview?
For how long? What questions?
Cheers,
Vugar |
Dana
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:06 am:
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Dear Vugar,
Thanks for the advise. I've seen the
documents you have provided (the link) and all this is of great
help. As u can imagine, I have no idea of UNHCR
interviews, however, earlier this year I've passed an interview with
UNDP. I belive that there must be a similarity (some friends have
passed intws with other UN agencies & it was quite the same).
The interview has lasted 30 min, phone interview (they ask u to
provide a landline). I've received an email fixing the time. There
was a pannel of 4/5 UNDP persons. In general they first ask u 2
introduce yourself (I learned that this is very important to
preapare it well - no hesitation) and then each of them ask u 1/2
questions. It's quite difficult as sometimes there's no relation
between the questions. There was no question measuring my knowledge
of UNDP, but it was all about the way I would fullfil my duties.
Some examples I can remember:
- have you ever been in a "dirty
water" and how did u manage to get out?
- BUDGET (they love this
question) would you ask for a big budget/small one to carry out the
mission
- which would be your goals in order to bring
succesfully your mission to the term (it was 1 year assignement)
- how would u establish a tight relationship with media clients
(4 a public information position)
It's all I can remember right
now. Once again, I believe that the interview methods are quite the
same for all UN agencies.
Hope this helps
cheers
Dana |
francisco
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 01:00 pm:
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In Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:43 pm: somebody who signed
as wow said that "...I obtained the thick reader for the LLM course
in "Asylum and Refugee Law" taught at our Law School..."
Does somebody know where of what is that thick reader for
the LLM course in "Asylum and Refugee Law"?
I would really
apreciate if somebody can tell me to my email golixgolix@yahoo.com |
wow
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 12:26 pm:
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Francisco, it is the reader provided for CEU's Legal
Studies students who take this course... |
Denise
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 01:03 pm:
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Vugar,
I guess the interview would be a phone
interview with 2-3 persons from UNHCR. It will
last around half an hour and they will ask questions about your
background, your experience, your motivation and how you deal with
stress. No need to worry... |
Francisco
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 02:54 pm:
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Excuse my ignorance. What is CEU? We have a CEU (a
private university) in Spain, which I don't think you are refering
to. Is it something that you can get in the Internet or in a file
format?
Wow, Thanks for your reply by the
way. |
Frank
Guest
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| Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 05:02 pm:
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I assume you are talking about the Central European
University. Any source (Libraries, Amazon, internet...)we could be
able to access to that reader?
Thank you
again |
WOW
Guest
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:47 pm:
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yes, it is Central European University. Well, I have only
the hard copy (a very poor photocopy quality) which I borrowed from
the last year's student. The course is called "Refugees, Asylum."
The readers are not on the internet. It i only the hard copy for
those who take the course. I didn't take the course itself, but got
the reader from my friends. I think the deaprtment will not be happy
if it finds out that I took the reader without paying tuition for
the credit ![:-)]()
Anyway, it is not with
me now, as I am out of Budapest now.
Try to check http://www.ceu.hu/ and
find Legal Studies Department's website. Maybe they put something on
the web about this course. By the way, the reader was very useful
and very interesting.
WOW |
observer
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 09:03 pm:
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Does anyone know how long does it take 2 be contacted 4
an interview after the deadline? As they never say anything it's
quite confusing... |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 03:53 pm:
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It's an endless wait.... |
guest
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 08:53 am:
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they have just announced recruitment for a new rooster
....... |
Private Joker
Guest
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| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 01:12 pm:
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I've always though the UN were
chickens... |
wow
Guest
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| Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 12:00 pm:
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Be patient. They clearly wrote that we should expect an
answer (in this context, appointment) in January. Relax and enjoy
Xmas.
wow |
Babyblues
Guest
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| Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 09:51 am:
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Hi everybody!
I took the test in London last
April, didn't get enough points though. I've been actively reading
your postings and waiting/hoping for at least one of you to get a
job. This would motivate me to apply again this December. However,
looks like I'm better off trying other channels...So I'm giving up
on IPR.
I
hope to see some of you in the field. Funny, how motivated people
with experience and willingness can't find jobs in a world where
help is needed. Best of luck! |
Tom
Longley
Moderator
Username:
Tom
Post Number: 87
Registered: 08-2005
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| Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 04:44 pm:
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But fear not: new IPR round, new
thread. Update your bookmarks please, and continue the discussion
here:
http://forum.aidworkers.ork.uk/messages/19328/36694.html?1134146256 | |